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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:01 pm

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Good day,

As most of you old timers know, I have only passed 3 exams to date, though I have taken a try at all of them.

I also realize that if all of these exams are not passed by June of 2009, I'll have to take a few in the ARE 4.0 format, which I do not prefer to do.

So....to make a long story short, I had the craziest idea...:shock:

What if, after I re-take BT......which I'm planning to do in early September......

....I spend only 2 weeks in studying for each of the remaining MC exams, and just try to do the re-takes every 2-3 weeks?...until all my re-takes are taken...

I figure, since it takes 6 months to be able to re-take an exam again, If I can re-take them ALL before Dec of 2008.....there might be a chance that I can pass a few more, and just focus on the ones that I fail, to re-take them for a final time.....before May of 2009...and bypass the June 2009 transition...

What do you guys think about this approach?.....I seriously need feedback on this one...

I figure, that as long as I can afford to re-take the remaining MC exams within 2-3 weeks of eachother.....why not give the wheel of fortune a try, right?....

Comments/ Criticism are welcome...

Cheers,

Q.. 

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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:27 pm

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Q~

I say... Do it!  You've already have a good base for all these topics...I think you just need some tweeking.  I would do it in the following order: BT, MM, ME, PD, GS and LF.

Here's why...I think that MM is good prep for ME, GS and LF.  PD is a good one to take near the end of the non-structural MCs.  GS and LF will be combined in 4.0, so even if you miss the deadline, you will be down to one exam.  Does that make sense?

Also, I recommend taking Marc Mitaksi's "Online Anytime" structures course.  He makes himself availible by email and phone for questions.  He really is very good.  Maybe he can help you get over that hurdle.

http://www.prepareinc.us/online_anytime.htm

Good Luck! Keep us updated on your progress.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:33 pm

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That sounds cool Meigs.....

Did you use Marc Mitaslki's online course to help you pass the GS/ LF exams too?

Thanks,

Q..

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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:33 pm

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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:41 pm

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My, man! Glad to see ya back.

To be honest, I not only think your plan is a good idea, but probably EXACTLY how you need to approach what's left.

Think about it:
1) You've been to the 9 Planes of Hell and back. You know what to expect.
2) You REALLY know the material, and not just from a test-taking standpoint.
3) Fast and Furious won't leave you with time to second-guess--you'll have to go balls out from the start.

I'll be back...boss just came in.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:42 pm

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QUIKSILVER wrote: That sounds cool Meigs.....

Did you use Marc Mitaslki's online course to help you pass the GS/ LF exams too?

Thanks,

Q..

I had to re-take LF cause I got caught in the code switch, so I took the just LF part of his online course.  I didn't have any lateral instruction in school so I also thought it might be a good idea.  I have to say it was pretty valuable tool.  He spoke with me for over an hour the Saturday before my exam.  He uses an online teaching software program that lets you see his desktop.  So when explaining stuff to you, he uses a whiteboard to sketch his answers/explanations.  If I had taken his GS course before my GS exam, I pretty sure I would have had an easier time taking it.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:44 pm

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ironwarrior wrote:
1) You've been to the 9 Planes of Hell and back. You know what to expect.



IW,

A little off-topic but I've always been curious if you have assigned specific tests to a specific plane of hell.....or is it more of a personal travel discovery?

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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 08:53 pm

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Everybody has a different way of studying, getting motivated, and such.  So, I don't know if you are the type who needs a longer time to study (2 weeks is an ambitious time schedule for many) or who learns quickly and pressure is a motivator.

If you were to schedule your test 2 weeks from when you started studying for that exam, there's a higher chance of failing.  Longer preparation would have allowed you to feel on top of the information associated w/ the test.  If you attempt the test too early, you will be stressed and the outcome wouldn't be favorable.

I understand your crunch to pass the rest of the tests, I myself am feeling nervous about my last 3.  However, the likelihood of failing if you crunch them all together rises.  If you were to fail any or all of the tests, you would have less time to retake than if you had passed thanks to being prepared.

I have been out of the loop for awhile; I thought that if you do not complete 3.1 by July 2009, the full test must be taken over.  Please advise if this is true.  I couldn't find the explaination on the NCARB website.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 09:02 pm

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Stugs,

Welcome back.  Since you have passed BT and SP, you would not have to retake any of the exams.  You would just have to take the corresponding exam in 4.0 to the ones you have left in 3.1.

See the website below.

http://www.ncarb.org/are/40/transition_chart.html

http://www.ncarb.org/are/40/reversechartweb.pdf

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 Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 09:14 pm

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Meigs,

You are always the best!  Thanks for the welcome and thanks for the info. which lifted a huge weight off my chest.  I have been stressing about my last tests because I have not been well enough to even start studying for my last three tests and have no idea when and if my symptoms will go away, at least long enough to finish.

Stugs

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stugs,

I knew you had been ill, so I wanted to respond ASAP because I didn't think you needed the added stress of worrying about 4.0.  Testing when you have health concerns is no fun.  Though I'm sure my past health issues pale in comparision, I can sympathize with your struggle.

Hope you are on the rebound......

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stugs wrote: Everybody has a different way of studying, getting motivated, and such.  So, I don't know if you are the type who needs a longer time to study (2 weeks is an ambitious time schedule for many) or who learns quickly and pressure is a motivator.

If you were to schedule your test 2 weeks from when you started studying for that exam, there's a higher chance of failing.  Longer preparation would have allowed you to feel on top of the information associated w/ the test.  If you attempt the test too early, you will be stressed and the outcome wouldn't be favorable.

I understand your crunch to pass the rest of the tests, I myself am feeling nervous about my last 3.  However, the likelihood of failing if you crunch them all together rises.  If you were to fail any or all of the tests, you would have less time to retake than if you had passed thanks to being prepared.

I have been out of the loop for awhile; I thought that if you do not complete 3.1 by July 2009, the full test must be taken over.  Please advise if this is true.  I couldn't find the explaination on the NCARB website.


I believe the cut off date is June 2009, not July.....

But you do make a point, and I respect that......so thank you..

And best of luck to you in the completion of your remaining 3 exams before June of 2009.....;)

Q..

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Meigs9 wrote: ironwarrior wrote:
1) You've been to the 9 Planes of Hell and back. You know what to expect.



IW,

A little off-topic but I've always been curious if you have assigned specific tests to a specific plane of hell.....or is it more of a personal travel discovery?

Umm...err... good question. I think it is a personal travel discovery. The 9th Plane for me was LF after getting sodomized by the Reaper himself 2 times previously. He just didn't realize that the third time around, I did what I do best: lose my mind. :)

The 8th Plane was BP as EVERYTHING that could go wrong went wrong the first time and I was unprepared. The second time around, I called in reinforcements. Quik showed up, put the bootheels to the Reaper and then kicked my azz through the the Door. That was a glorious time!

Of course, to quote Clint Eastwood from "The Outlaw Josey Wales," sometimes you "gotta get mad-dog mean!"
:dude:

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WTH have you been, Stugs? Nice to see ya back!

Quik, when you get to taking LF, read my study thread. It's a lesson in the absurd and surreal at times, but I was a writing machine (points for insanity). Some of the info may be a bit overkill, but there are few gems in there.

I still think your plan is a good idea given your test experience. I REGRET not blasting my skull with as much data as I could and then BAM-BAM--just spending a week or so blasting through all the tests in rapid succession and seeing what happened.


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ironwarrior wrote: WTH have you been, Stugs? Nice to see ya back!

Quik, when you get to taking LF, read my study thread. It's a lesson in the absurd and surreal at times, but I was a writing machine (points for insanity). Some of the info may be a bit overkill, but there are few gems in there.

I still think your plan is a good idea given your test experience. I REGRET not blasting my skull with as much data as I could and then BAM-BAM--just spending a week or so blasting through all the tests in rapid succession and seeing what happened.




Thanks IW.....I think the plan is good too.....

So we'll see what happens around this time next year.....

Best wishes,

Q..

PS - I'll check your study for LF when that time comes....thanks.

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ironwarrior wrote: WTH have you been, Stugs? Nice to see ya back!

I've been suffering with my long-term illness/disability.  I wasn't able to speak coherently, in the middle of my sentences I would forget what I was saying and had much difficulty recalling words or information, I was not able to retain any information, and I had to read sentences over and over to form some understanding.  The biggest difficulty has been the fatigue.  The smallest things would wear me out and I felt like sliding to the ground like a pool of water to reduce the additional fatigue from holding my arms up, sitting up, ...

I still have most of those issues, but for the past two weeks I have had enough energy to do my chores.  So, unfortunately I am not back, but you are always welcome to send me a PM if there is something I could try to help you with.

Best Wishes,
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Crap, Stugs! I didn't know. Stay strong and GET HEALTHY!! If YOU need anything, just holla'--remember, I live in West "by God" Virginia ;)

The 20-month ARE ordeal hurt me bad...real bad. I don't know if I mentioned this in some other post, but I had a mild heart attack and mini-stroke in December of last year. I was on the way to the gym and felt a sudden pain in my chest and behind my left eye. I had one of the guys at the gym (its really a physical rehab center we designed) take my pulse and blood pressure: resting pulse was over 100 and blood pressure was "dead man walking." They wanted me to go to the hospital across the road, but I have no health insurance--I can only vaguely recall driving home.

I spent the next several days with knife-like pain in my chest and some loss of comprehension, but I survived. It was a warning though, as I probably was lucky.

My  studying for my 3rd retake of LF broke me physically and mentally. I lost 15 lbs in 3 weeks--not good for a guy who carries a bodyfat around 10% or less. Of course, anyone who reads my post-LF exam synopsis will say, "Yep, the idiot went bonkers!"

I guess the point to all this is HEALTH FIRST--ARE distant second. I think all of us are masochists when we get started on this crazy s.h.i.t.

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QUIKSILVER wrote: Good day,

As most of you old timers know, I have only passed 3 exams to date, though I have taken a try at all of them.

I also realize that if all of these exams are not passed by June of 2009, I'll have to take a few in the ARE 4.0 format, which I do not prefer to do.

So....to make a long story short, I had the craziest idea...:shock:

What if, after I re-take BT......which I'm planning to do in mid July......

....I spend only 2 weeks in studying for each of the remaining MC exams, and just try to do the re-takes every 2-3 weeks?...until all my re-takes are taken...

I figure, since it takes 6 months to be able to re-take an exam again, If I can re-take them ALL before Nov of 2008.....there might be a chance that I can pass a few more, and just focus on the ones that I fail, to re-take them for a final time.....before May of 2009...and bypass the June 2009 transition...

What do you guys think about this approach?.....I seriously need feedback on this one...

I figure, that as long as I can afford to re-take the remaining MC exams within 2-3 weeks of eachother.....why not give the wheel of fortune a try, right?....

Comments/ Criticism are welcome...

Cheers,

Q.. 


Quiksilver,

I double dog dare you to live out your crazy dream of the ARE blitz of all remaining exams.

Here's the crazy thought:  What if you pass them all?

Best of luck to you on the upcoming BT exam ~ I have my BT exam scheduled for this Saturday.

(I look forward to BT like I look forward to an acid bath, but by Saturday evening it will be over. . .and I am going in following advice from all my favorite forum members who commented here, so I feel fairly prepared).

Welcome back to the fray.

I think you can do it; and since you pose the question about the ARE blitz, I think you oughta' give it a go.

I wish you well on this crazy journey. 

 

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I took 5 exams in 3 months, 3 graphics in 6 weeks and LS and Structures on the same day. I went 4/5 on that strategy and had 8/9 before the 2006 rolling clock started. I say go for it and just pass the F...ing tests! G

QUIKSILVER wrote:
ironwarrior wrote: WTH have you been, Stugs? Nice to see ya back!

Quik, when you get to taking LF, read my study thread. It's a lesson in the absurd and surreal at times, but I was a writing machine (points for insanity). Some of the info may be a bit overkill, but there are few gems in there.

I still think your plan is a good idea given your test experience. I REGRET not blasting my skull with as much data as I could and then BAM-BAM--just spending a week or so blasting through all the tests in rapid succession and seeing what happened.




Thanks IW.....I think the plan is good too.....

So we'll see what happens around this time next year.....

Best wishes,

Q..

PS - I'll check your study for LF when that time comes....thanks.

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 Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 03:14 am

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Pare down to the minimum study materials and go for it.

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Agreed, assuming you can afford it. If nothing else, you'll get more exposure to the different exams and materials, and if you can knock out a couple of passes in the process, then all the better. Just don't kill yourself with stress over it. But it seems like endless studying and preparation hasn't been your golden ticket, so maybe trying a more instinctive and reactive approach will be. Good luck!

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ironwarrior wrote: Crap, Stugs! I didn't know. Stay strong and GET HEALTHY!! If YOU need anything, just holla'--remember, I live in West "by God" Virginia ;)
That's just the way things go.  I have planned on being an architect since I was 14 years old.  I even took summer classes at UC Berkeley to verify that I really did want to be an architect and was ready to leave home (and boy was I ever!)  I always thought that if I tried hard enough, I could do anything.  Now I am humbled.  Taking the ARE is a way to at least have architecture in a part of my life.  There is no cure, but the only way it is life-threatening is many people w/ it commit suicide.  Although I will never be back to my energetic, joking, intelligent persona, hopefully I will have control of many of the symptoms/side effects eventually so I can at least try to go to work somewhere, at least part time.

I love West VA!  I have spent a large amount of time there backpacking, hiking, spelunking, white water rafting, and so much more.  It is so beautiful there and I am a huge sucker for landscapes, nature, and natural lighting.

Best of luck healing.  And I hope you find insurance that doesn't treat your stroke and heart attack as a pre-existing condition (though you may have a hard time on the HA.

I'm always here to listen to any sob stories, and to answer questions which are sent directly to me to the best of my ability. Just send me a PM and I'll do my best to reply.
Good luck to everybody!

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Stugs, will you trade your ME for my CD exam !!?
I am so not wanting to take ME watsoever.
I intensionally ignored it up to now, and it is my last, and I am going down on the following Sat, and I am so not liking it, and my brain is crying for help now....hate it..

Quik, good luck with the rest of your exams.  You can do.

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Far Galaxy wrote: Stugs, will you trade your ME for my CD exam !!?
Sure, I'm more scared about CD than I was about ME. I'm a little pissed about forgetting much of CD bcs before I knew it backwards and forwards.  I don't think I would have had to study to pass.

I am so not wanting to take ME watsoever.
ME is certainly intimidating, and I may have overdone it, but I used a ton of materials including Archiflash, MEEB, Kaplan study guide and Ballast.  There is certainly pertinent information in all of those, but I stuck mainly w/ Kaplan.  Kaplan doesn't have enough info, IMO.  I looked at every page of MEEB and wrote down anything which I had not learned in my other studies.  I skimed the rest of the book.  I also took note of each diagram.   I feel that reading/scanning MEEB was a BIG help.

Be sure that you know how to read and interpret all of the facets of the isometric chart.  Don't stress much about equations; just know what each letter stands for, the formulas should be given to you as a reference. 



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StrongWilled wrote: QUIKSILVER wrote: Good day,

As most of you old timers know, I have only passed 3 exams to date, though I have taken a try at all of them.

I also realize that if all of these exams are not passed by June of 2009, I'll have to take a few in the ARE 4.0 format, which I do not prefer to do.

So....to make a long story short, I had the craziest idea...:shock:

What if, after I re-take BT......which I'm planning to do in mid July......

....I spend only 2 weeks in studying for each of the remaining MC exams, and just try to do the re-takes every 2-3 weeks?...until all my re-takes are taken...

I figure, since it takes 6 months to be able to re-take an exam again, If I can re-take them ALL before Nov of 2008.....there might be a chance that I can pass a few more, and just focus on the ones that I fail, to re-take them for a final time.....before May of 2009...and bypass the June 2009 transition...

What do you guys think about this approach?.....I seriously need feedback on this one...

I figure, that as long as I can afford to re-take the remaining MC exams within 2-3 weeks of eachother.....why not give the wheel of fortune a try, right?....

Comments/ Criticism are welcome...

Cheers,

Q.. 


Quiksilver,

I double dog dare you to live out your crazy dream of the ARE blitz of all remaining exams.

Here's the crazy thought:  What if you pass them all?

Best of luck to you on the upcoming BT exam ~ I have my BT exam scheduled for this Saturday.

(I look forward to BT like I look forward to an acid bath, but by Saturday evening it will be over. . .and I am going in following advice from all my favorite forum members who commented here, so I feel fairly prepared).

Welcome back to the fray.

I think you can do it; and since you pose the question about the ARE blitz, I think you oughta' give it a go.

I wish you well on this crazy journey. 

 


Strongwilled..

I warn you, when it comes to dares, I'm all for it, which is why I'm going to try this out, and see what happens...

It would be a trip, if what you say is true, and I pass them all.....but I won't know til I find out for myself....

Thank you for your positive feedback on this crazy idea....

..And good luck on your BT exam on Saturday....

Q..

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Mana: 
 Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 09:29 pm

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Well......Obviously this has been done before.....

Thank you for your positive feedback.....

And we'll see if it CAN be done again....

Cheers,

Q..

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Mana: 
 Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 07:21 am

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