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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 05:40 am |
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I just got the results of my SP test and found out I failed it. Can anybody tell me if it really is a six month wait to retake it, and if so does NCARB send you a letter notifying you that you can retake it. How does it work?
I am so bummed out over this. It was the second to last test. And I had already passed the other Eight on my first try.
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stl-guy
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 06:03 am |
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PGH wrote: I just got the results of my SP test and found out I failed it. Can anybody tell me if it really is a six month wait to retake it, and if so does NCARB send you a letter notifying you that you can retake it. How does it work?
I am so bummed out over this. It was the second to last test. And I had already passed the other Eight on my first try.
This is not unusual. It is really the luck of the draw. There are very difficult and some very easy exams administered for 3.1 SP., at least 4 or 5 versions.
Don't feel too bummed about this. SP is about the most erratic 3.1 division that exists.
I think they did this trick to make us feel more humble.
It just made me curse over and over when I got the really tough test.
You will indeed need to wait 6 months. I think this starts from when your failure is posted by Prometrics. At any rate, you should be able to enter their website and find the soonest possible re-scheduling date for your re-take.
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dottie
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 08:36 am |
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Wow, only 18 posts. Hmmmm,
Again, and I am sure everyone here is tired of me saying it.
POST AND COMMENT ON THE GRAPHICS! I failed SP in December of 2006. I knew of the forum and only browsed. I figured I would pass on my experience and know how. Wrong!
I hit it this spring, used the forum to its fullest. By the time I was done with SP, I posted 80 some times. That included COMMENTING on other posts as well. You learn so much from that as well. You start looking at your own stuff like everyone else's. I passed. Just passed the BT and waiting for BP to arrive, maybe next week.
Take a breather, relax, and hit it hard at least a month before you are scheduled. Once you practice and post and comment, you will know why and how you failed the one before, I did.
Good luck on your next round.
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malmond
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 12:09 pm |
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dottie wrote: snip - Again, and I am sure everyone here is tired of me saying it. -snip
YES!!!!!!!.
Have you thought about the fact that not everyone taking the ARE knows about this site? I didn't when I started. I think it's unfair to assume that just because someone has a low post count they're hurting themselves on purpose by not using the forum. The OP in this case joined only 2 months ago.
I'm sure he/she will now use your advice. And with all due respect, I'd suggest from now on you just skip your usual first 2 or 3 paragraphs. The rest is very useful.
malmond
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PGH
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 02:16 pm |
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| Thanks for the pat on the shoulder, I really needed that. I will take everybodies advice regarding the use of the forum. They really did throw me some curves on that SP exam. All of the vignettes were different from the practice software. Better luck next time.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 03:00 pm |
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| Was your test the one with the boathouse?
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dottie
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 03:58 pm |
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malmond wrote: dottie wrote: snip - Again, and I am sure everyone here is tired of me saying it. -snip
YES!!!!!!!.
Have you thought about the fact that not everyone taking the ARE knows about this site? I didn't when I started. I think it's unfair to assume that just because someone has a low post count they're hurting themselves on purpose by not using the forum. The OP in this case joined only 2 months ago.
I'm sure he/she will now use your advice. And with all due respect, I'd suggest from now on you just skip your usual first 2 or 3 paragraphs. The rest is very useful.
malmond
Thank you for your honesty, malmond. I will not let that deture me from the forum or "rattle my cage". Have a great day, and good luck PGH with you future run at it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 05:31 pm |
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since i'm trying to cram all ARE 3.1 by december (so that if i fail, i have a 6 month grace to re-write) , i've clarrified the "failure" procedure many times with my board and NCARB.
They say the 6 months starts from when you write, not when you get your score.
for instance, the rollover to ARE 4.0 (from ARE 3.1) is July 1st 2009, so if you write an exam december 31st 2008 and fail, you could feasably write again the day before the rollover. thats cutting it close, but you get the point.
the only thing they were not clear on was is it 6 months calender...or 6 months of 30 day months (180 days). nobody could answer this for me.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 05:43 pm |
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graspin wrote:
the only thing they were not clear on was is it 6 months calender...or 6 months of 30 day months (180 days). nobody could answer this for me.
I took SP on 3/1 and apparently I can't grade.  I assumed I could re-schedule on 9/1, but I can actually re-schedule 3-4 days before then (varies by testing center). So in my case, the 6 months calendar is not a fixed date. fyi. 
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 05:47 pm |
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dottie wrote: Thank you for your honesty, malmond. I will not let that deture me from the forum or "rattle my cage". Have a great day, and good luck PGH with you future run at it.
I apologize if it came out wrong. I know you're a great contributor to this site and uphold its purpose. I think sometimes don't respond well to being talk down to. Not to say that's what you were doing. Again, maybe it came out wrong, if I insulted you I apologize. You give good advice and would never think of detering anyone from contributing to those still going through the ARE process.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 06:00 pm |
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thanks for the info.
in any case FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! my wife can'tt handle me studying anymore of this crap. lol.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 06:04 pm |
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zedcorrado wrote: Was your test the one with the boathouse?
That sounds like the one I failed.
Still makes me shudder. . .at least as ugly as some of the ALTs. 
The retake exam was much better ~ pretty fair all around.
For the retake I just practiced and reviewed about 4 weeks before my exam date (nothing spectacular, just slow & steady practice).
I knew what I was up against, so I was able to use my time wisely, keep a sane study schedule, and make good use of my fellow forum members' expertise.
The biggest bonus: Posting to this forum and not leaving anything to chance.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 06:07 pm |
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graspin wrote: since i'm trying to cram all ARE 3.1 by december (so that if i fail, i have a 6 month grace to re-write) , i've clarrified the "failure" procedure many times with my board and NCARB.
They say the 6 months starts from when you write, not when you get your score.
for instance, the rollover to ARE 4.0 (from ARE 3.1) is July 1st 2009, so if you write an exam december 31st 2008 and fail, you could feasably write again the day before the rollover. thats cutting it close, but you get the point.
the only thing they were not clear on was is it 6 months calender...or 6 months of 30 day months (180 days). nobody could answer this for me.
Based upon the old "prometric trick" it is 6 months.
This is also consistent with several states' laws and regulations.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 06:12 pm |
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stl-guy wrote:
This is not unusual. It is really the luck of the draw. There are very difficult and some very easy exams administered for 3.1 SP., at least 4 or 5 versions.
In my opinion, luck has very little to do with passing...the exceptions being things such as unexpected glitches with the computer or the candidate's health.
Even though taking the steps to do so may suck, passing is almost entirely within the candidate's control.
Solid preparation is the key.
There's no magic involved.
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zedcorrado
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 06:18 pm |
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StrongWilled wrote: zedcorrado wrote: Was your test the one with the boathouse?
That sounds like the one I failed.
Still makes me shudder. . .at least as ugly as some of the ALTs.
The retake exam was much better ~ pretty fair all around.
For the retake I just practiced and reviewed about 4 weeks before my exam date (nothing spectacular, just slow & steady practice).
I knew what I was up against, so I was able to use my time wisely, keep a sane study schedule, and make good use of my fellow forum members' expertise.
The biggest bonus: Posting to this forum and not leaving anything to chance.
I passed it somehow...but I still remember the chill down my back that I felt when I dumped all of the required elements ontot he screen. I couldn't beleive how large some of that crap was.
I also think it isn't much about luck. Sure you can be unlucky and receive a more difficult version than others, but if you are prepared you should be able to pass it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 06:38 pm |
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The test vignettes are intended to be of equal difficulty and scoring is monitored (and probably adjusted) to insure that this is acheived.
Unfamiliarity can be interpreted as difficulty particularly when the candidate is not fully prepared...this happened to me.
SP test vignettes can look quite different from the practice vignette, but they are solved exactly the same way...both in regards to technique and parti.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 02:21 pm |
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| I logged on to the Prometric web site to reschedule and it gave me the next available date which came up as November 30th 2008. Considering that I took the exam on June 2nd 2008. It really is about 6 months to retake if you do the math.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 02:37 pm |
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I took SP twice and remember how much easier the second test was than the first test. I was well prepared both times. It's vitally important that one is comfortable with the software and there is no way I would have passed if I hadn't been able to review the posts on the Forum.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 07:27 pm |
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I believe its 6 months from the date of your exam.
Keep your head up!.. You'll pass on your next shot!
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 07:30 pm |
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brudgers wrote: stl-guy wrote:
This is not unusual. It is really the luck of the draw. There are very difficult and some very easy exams administered for 3.1 SP., at least 4 or 5 versions.
In my opinion, luck has very little to do with passing...the exceptions being things such as unexpected glitches with the computer or the candidate's health.
Even though taking the steps to do so may suck, passing is almost entirely within the candidate's control.
Solid preparation is the key.
There's no magic involved.
I agree with Brudgers, these exams are not about luck but well preparation and practice; those who have less experience will require more preparation time. I don't think there is any trick in the questions but they need to be read carefully and that inlcudes the programs for the graphic exams.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 08:21 pm |
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stl-guy wrote: PGH wrote: I just got the results of my SP test and found out I failed it. Can anybody tell me if it really is a six month wait to retake it, and if so does NCARB send you a letter notifying you that you can retake it. How does it work?
I am so bummed out over this. It was the second to last test. And I had already passed the other Eight on my first try.
This is not unusual. It is really the luck of the draw. There are very difficult and some very easy exams administered for 3.1 SP., at least 4 or 5 versions.
Don't feel too bummed about this. SP is about the most erratic 3.1 division that exists.
I think they did this trick to make us feel more humble.
It just made me curse over and over when I got the really tough test.
You will indeed need to wait 6 months. I think this starts from when your failure is posted by Prometrics. At any rate, you should be able to enter their website and find the soonest possible re-scheduling date for your re-take.
And I had what I thouhgt was a straightforward exam and marginally failed two sections. So far this is the only one I failed...waiting for results on the 9th ME. I received a letter from prometric that gave me a (earliest) retake date which is about 6 months. Hang tough PGH you are not alone. See you in the SP forum.
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flats wrote: graspin wrote:
the only thing they were not clear on was is it 6 months calender...or 6 months of 30 day months (180 days). nobody could answer this for me.
I took SP on 3/1 and apparently I can't grade. I assumed I could re-schedule on 9/1, but I can actually re-schedule 3-4 days before then (varies by testing center). So in my case, the 6 months calendar is not a fixed date. fyi.
mine has let me reschedule a few days before the actual 6 month date - same as you..so i totally like to take advantage of those "extra early" days and jump back in...not that it really makes much diff. in the long run i guess..but i feel it gives me more options..
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