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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 05:56 pm |
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graspin wrote: brudgers wrote: jmcarr wrote: I am going side with human decency, and take a stand here. It is not OK to rip farts in a testing center. Come on, people. We live in a civilized society. It might be permissible to cut some cheddar at the gym, but at a testing center? Unlike the gym, at the test center, people's careers and livelihoods are on the line. Heck, if the proctors did nothing, I would have called 911, and had the offender arrested. Well, that's a little drastic, but still, that was completely inappropriate. And, this is doubtful, but, if by some remote chance, the offender suffers from a digestive disease, then that person should have requested special accommodations.
Human decency would dictate empathy for the mortification the farter feels, sympathy for their possible medical condition, gratitude for not suffering these conditions oneself, and forgiveness for a truely minor trespass.
reverse onus. isn't that the lowest form of argument besides calling names?
no one person should stand above the rest in an 'equal' testing environment.
this is why Prometric offers special testing conditions, and why they ask EVERY time you book and exam.
dealing with the ridiculous nature of these exams is one thing, but having to ALSO deal with a smelly environment is too much.
NOBODY can have sympathy for another’s persons excusable behavior when said behavior effects your ability to perform at your best. why would anyone detriment themselves in that way? are you a martyr for the farters cause? do you sympathize with the farter?
Proper exam preparation would overcome such a minor distraction...indeed the mark of proper preparation for any venture is the ability to deal with the unexpected.
Smellism is not a disibility.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 06:36 pm |
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brudgers wrote: Proper exam preparation would overcome such a minor distraction...indeed the mark of proper preparation for any venture is the ability to deal with the unexpected.
Smellism is not a disibility. Well, about 18 months ago, my sense of smell became hyper sensitive. To add to that annoyance, some smells seem to stick in my nose and stay with me for what can be many hours long after the source & I have separated. Naturally, I am only effected by foul odors, especially biological, so I can't walk into the garden and smell flowers all day. And the Vicks under the nose does not work either. It is extremely difficult to concentrate or make it through without getting a headache or becoming extremely irritable when something gets "stuck" in my nose. When it first came on, I thought I was going to go mad, it literally was causing a depression the likes of which I've never felt. Thankfully it has subsided. So let's see, who's condition trumps the other? hmmm. I know two things are certain. Mine will only bother others if I raise a stink about the stinker -- which I gurantee I would. But, I do not disagree with getting your panties out of a wad and dealing with it. That doesn't mean putting up with it. My test center had multiple rooms. In fact, I believe they had a couple of isolation rooms -- probably for mothers with infants... California, you know -- so, accomodation should be possible.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 07:11 pm |
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brudgers wrote: jmcarr wrote: I am going side with human decency, and take a stand here. It is not OK to rip farts in a testing center. Come on, people. We live in a civilized society. It might be permissible to cut some cheddar at the gym, but at a testing center? Unlike the gym, at the test center, people's careers and livelihoods are on the line. Heck, if the proctors did nothing, I would have called 911, and had the offender arrested. Well, that's a little drastic, but still, that was completely inappropriate. And, this is doubtful, but, if by some remote chance, the offender suffers from a digestive disease, then that person should have requested special accommodations.
Human decency would dictate empathy for the mortification the farter feels, sympathy for their possible medical condition, gratitude for not suffering these conditions oneself, and forgiveness for a truely minor trespass.
i have a hard time believing that anyone passing gas at a "testing center" is doing so premeditated or with malicious intent. (i hope that went out shortly after jr. high). But the idea that the testing center is some kind of sacred "holy of holies" where poor human behavior is a suprise is rather ridiculous. I prefer to take the blame if i fail and the glory if i pass and straight arm all excuses,,,inside or outside of the alleged "tabernacle".
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 09:32 pm |
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skyhook wrote: brudgers wrote: jmcarr wrote: I am going side with human decency, and take a stand here. It is not OK to rip farts in a testing center. Come on, people. We live in a civilized society. It might be permissible to cut some cheddar at the gym, but at a testing center? Unlike the gym, at the test center, people's careers and livelihoods are on the line. Heck, if the proctors did nothing, I would have called 911, and had the offender arrested. Well, that's a little drastic, but still, that was completely inappropriate. And, this is doubtful, but, if by some remote chance, the offender suffers from a digestive disease, then that person should have requested special accommodations.
Human decency would dictate empathy for the mortification the farter feels, sympathy for their possible medical condition, gratitude for not suffering these conditions oneself, and forgiveness for a truely minor trespass.
i have a hard time believing that anyone passing gas at a "testing center" is doing so premeditated or with malicious intent. (i hope that went out shortly after jr. high). But the idea that the testing center is some kind of sacred "holy of holies" where poor human behavior is a suprise is rather ridiculous. I prefer to take the blame if i fail and the glory if i pass and straight arm all excuses,,,inside or outside of the alleged "tabernacle".
I agree with Brudgers, decent exam preparation will help any candidate ignore the myriad of test center distractions.
My own experience bears this out...during exams for which I was unprepared, distractions seemed extremely aggravating, and, no surprise, I did not pass. On the other hand, when I prepared for exams, all distractions, even computer malfunctions, did not phase me.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 10:23 pm |
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Coach wrote: brudgers wrote: Proper exam preparation would overcome such a minor distraction...indeed the mark of proper preparation for any venture is the ability to deal with the unexpected.
Smellism is not a disibility. Well, about 18 months ago, my sense of smell became hyper sensitive. To add to that annoyance, some smells seem to stick in my nose and stay with me for what can be many hours long after the source & I have separated. Naturally, I am only effected by foul odors, especially biological, so I can't walk into the garden and smell flowers all day. And the Vicks under the nose does not work either. It is extremely difficult to concentrate or make it through without getting a headache or becoming extremely irritable when something gets "stuck" in my nose. When it first came on, I thought I was going to go mad, it literally was causing a depression the likes of which I've never felt. Thankfully it has subsided. So let's see, who's condition trumps the other? hmmm. I know two things are certain. Mine will only bother others if I raise a stink about the stinker -- which I gurantee I would. But, I do not disagree with getting your panties out of a wad and dealing with it. That doesn't mean putting up with it. My test center had multiple rooms. In fact, I believe they had a couple of isolation rooms -- probably for mothers with infants... California, you know -- so, accomodation should be possible.
Same thing happens to me if I over sleep, once in a great while, my 120 lb. dog just can't wait any longer and craps in his room. It permeates the atmosphere to the second floor of my house. Then I must clean it up. That is when I hold my breath and nose.
Crappy tests are one thing, dealing with crappy people, well, how do you deal with it except to chalk it up to an experience.
***t Happens.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 06:17 pm |
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I find it interesting how some people sided with those that cause the problem, as opposed to those that have to endure the problem.
In this case, if you take away 'the problem', there is no issue, right?
I think our days of being overly sympathetic should come to a close. Accommodating everyones inevitably alienates some, no?
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 06:25 pm |
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mlawhockey wrote: i find it strange how some people side with those that cause the problem, as opposed to those that have to endure the problem.
i think our days of being overly sympathetic should be coming to a close. accommodating everyones inevitably alienates some, no?
On the other hand, drolly pondering the minutia of life's everyday existence eclipsed with the last episode of Seinfeld. Re-runs notwithstanding.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 07:01 pm |
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mlawhockey wrote: I find it interesting how some people sided with those that cause the problem, as opposed to those that have to endure the problem.
In this case, if you take away 'the problem', there is no issue, right?
I think our days of being overly sympathetic should come to a close. Accommodating everyones inevitably alienates some, no?
I stopped my sympathy for whining victims long ago.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 07:17 pm |
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I stopped my sympathy for whining victims long ago.
i'd hate to see what you consider a legitimate testing center issue.
that said, i wrote the thing and passed...but it was a serious and unpleasant assault on the senses.
i mean no dissrespect, but if you can not be sympathetic to testing center issues, then maybe you should save your opinions on these matters...and cease the antagonistic comments.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 07:47 pm |
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they should have better ventilation in those prometric rooms though... it can get a little stuffy.
But, you would think that the person that needs to relieve himself/herself would have the decency to take a restroom break.
Maybe you could ask if nose plugs are allowed in the testing center.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 08:10 pm |
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mlawhockey wrote: I stopped my sympathy for whining victims long ago.
i'd hate to see what you consider a legitimate testing center issue.
that said, i wrote the thing and passed...but it was a serious and unpleasant assault on the senses.
i mean no dissrespect, but if you can not be sympathetic to testing center issues, then maybe you should save your opinions on these matters...and cease the antagonistic comments.
The trials and tribulations of chasing ncarb are challenging enough and since this is an advocasy forum for that endeavor, lets keep supporting the noble "chasers"
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 08:51 pm |
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mlawhockey wrote:
that said, i wrote the thing and passed...
an interesting choice of words, reminds me of a maxim used by my seven year old.
i mean no dissrespect, but if you can not be sympathetic to testing center issues, then maybe you should save your opinions on these matters...and cease the antagonistic comments.
So you passed and you're still a victim.
What do you want sympathy for?
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 09:14 pm |
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brudgers wrote: So you passed and you're still a victim.What do you want sympathy for?
i've noticed that you add no value to the discussions. why is that?
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 09:40 pm |
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| brudgers: some might consider those comments as negative. i think you've hurt my feelings. i'm not sure the ARE allows posters to mock others. an apology is in order. Last edited on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 09:42 pm by mlawhockey
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 03:40 am |
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mlawhockey wrote: brudgers: some might consider those comments as negative. i think you've hurt my feelings. i'm not sure the ARE allows posters to mock others. an apology is in order.
I feel for you. If you look at my posts you will see that Brudgers never shares a same or positive opinion with me or for that matter, anyone else on almost any issue.
Brudgers does not understand how hurtful his comments are to some, actually most. There is a legal case in Missouri where an adult person harassed another on the Internet, a teen, to the point where the teenager committed suicide. The adult was posing to be someone else on Myspace. I forget all the details but the antagonist is now in jail. It is illegal to say certain things on the Internet. Brugers is often walking on thin ice to say the least. Few people get banned here for voicing their opinion. I can't say that Brudgers has crossed the line but has come close many times. At work,we value people who can work well together as a team more than any single arrogant individual know-it-all. The classic authoritarian personality type Brudgers typically displays here would not last a month at my firm. For now, Just blow him off and ignore his rude and crude comments. This forum is mainly self regulated. I don't want to see any members banned although action can and is taken when necessary. STL-GUY
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 05:04 am |
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mlawhockey wrote: brudgers: some might consider those comments as negative. i think you've hurt my feelings. i'm not sure the ARE allows posters to mock others. an apology is in order.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 05:57 am |
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brudgers wrote: mlawhockey wrote: brudgers: some might consider those comments as negative. i think you've hurt my feelings. i'm not sure the ARE allows posters to mock others. an apology is in order.
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Brudgers,
Why is it so hard for you to be kind to other forum members. Why can't you give a little?
Do you understand that you are about to be history here if you keep this up?
Your indigence and poor attitude can not continue and will not be tolerated further on this forum.
You need to change your tone immediately if you wish to continue to be a member here.
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using brudgers pic, that's funny!~

Brudgers--- lighten up a little, man.
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There is a legal case in Missouri where an adult person harassed another on the Internet, a teen, to the point where the teenager committed suicide. The adult was posing to be someone else on Myspace. I forget all the details but the antagonist is now in jail. It is illegal to say certain things on the Internet.
Lori Drew, the adult who used MySpace to converse with the girl while posing as a teenage boy, is not in jail.
Local authorities never filed any charges at all associated with that case - and the state & local laws in place at the time would have only allowed misdemeanor charges at worst anyway.
But this incident led to tougher proposed state laws related to cyberbullying, in Missouri and some other states. It remains to be seen if these can hold up in court.
In May 2008 Lori Drew was indicted in California (where MySpace is based) for federal crimes related to misrepresenting herself on MySpace. Those charges have yet to go to trial.
In July her lawyer filed a motion for dismissal, based on a lack of proof that she read, agreed with, or understood MySpace's terms of service, as she likely was not the person who set up the MySpace account (her daughter and an employee were also involved.) Lori Drew is currently free.Last edited on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 04:32 pm by Phlustered
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I'm late to the party, but I thought I'd share my similar experience.
This is an excerpt from my ME post test experience, from back in April:
"I literally finished my last question with 10 seconds left - no time for review. But, I could have been finished earlier if I weren't sandwiched between two people who must have had the HEAVIEST KEYBOARD HANDS ON THE ENTIRE PLANET . . . AND BEYOND. It was almost like they each were using heavy clubs, just pounding away on the keys - kind of a disturbing, synchronized symphony of mass on plastic. First there was one on the right, and then one on the left - a definite doubling of the sound source, with me right in the middle, and it sure didn't feel like an small increase of 3db when the second person sat down - more like 50 db. I tried using the Prometric headphones to block it out, but the ringing in my ears was worse. Plus, I could still hear them bashing away - I'd rate the STC rating on the headphone material very low. I rose my hand to complain about it, but the girl didn't come out."
"I forgot to mention, the guy on my left seem to let out a dramatic sigh every time he read a question. It seemed to be a signal as if he was so upset at the exam content and/ or wasn't prepared enough and wanted to let the entire room know it . . . every 2 minutes or so."
The original post is here:
http://www.areforum.org/forums/view_topic.php?id=47397&forum_id=4&jump_to=253669#p253669
Although my situation is not the same as someone ripping stink bombs throughout the exam, it's the same as far as etiquette goes. The girls that work at Prometric know me now, and try to put me in the quiet corner when I come in. I ask them not to put me near specific test takers. The loud keyboard folks apparently are taking the GRE - I think.
Of course there's only so much that can be done before hand. No one can plan for the chronic cough or the gas-assed individual. Twice I've requested that the proctors hand cough drops or candies for certain coughing individuals to suck on.
Although the testing situation is such that there are 10 or so individuals, taking different exams in one (or more) rooms, there should be an expectation that every effort is made to provide a quiet environment.
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techman123 wrote: using brudgers pic, that's funny!~

Brudgers--- lighten up a little, man.
What's lighter than a thread about farting?
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notice the copyright? brudgers, i'm going to have to ask you to remove my image.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 06:07 pm |
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mlawhockey wrote: I think our days of being overly sympathetic should come to a close. Accommodating everyones inevitably alienates some, no?
These days will come soon enough.
. . . but this is definitely a conversation that warrants a dedicated thread.
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mlawhockey wrote: notice the copyright? brudgers, i'm going to have to ask you to remove my image. What is your problem? First it's lug's avatar, now brudgers'. This type of blatant annoyance and attempt to confuse is precisely why someone should be banned. Where's the admin when you need them?
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| This thread started off about farts, and it devolved from there. While I may not always agree with Brudgers, his contributions make this forum very interesting. People should not misinterpret a post that disagrees with one's opinion as a personal attack. Last edited on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 07:14 pm by jmcarr
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| The above post was a lot more interesting before it was edited. Did you forget who you were logged in as?
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Coach wrote: The above post was a lot more interesting before it was edited. Did you forget who you were logged in as?
that's a very existential question, and requires a thoughtful response. my answer is...my real name is Rockefeller. 
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