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IrishAli
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 06:06 pm |
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I have a question- I am a Type 1 diabetic and my sugars go out of control when stressed (ie the days leading into an exam). Because of this, I need to take in my blood testing meter, food, etc and have the ability to monitor my sugars etc. throughout the test. This was a problem when taking my LEED test (they wouldn't let me take my food in) and now I have the AREs starting soon. Do I speak with my registration board to get a letter to let me take my gear in? What do I do and who do I speak with? I just have no idea!
Has anyone had an issue like this?
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 06:19 pm |
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See page 10 of the 4.0 ARE Guidelines booklet.
You have to get approval from your state board (requires medical documentation), then get a new authorization to test, and then call the Prometric Special Accommodations number to schedule the tests.
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IrishAli
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 06:34 pm |
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Jeez.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 06:44 pm |
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IrishAli wrote: Jeez. Huh? I'm sorry for your condition, but what do you want? Are you suggesting that you cannot walk out to the locker when you need to? Or was the reaction to the process? In that case, what do you think would happen if all you needed to do was show up on exam day and say you have a condition?
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 06:51 pm |
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Of course I know nothing of the specifics of your condition, but others have posted that they have just followed normal testing procedures instead of going through the hassle of getting special accommodations, and simply alerted the test center staff of the situation and that they'd be taking more unscheduled breaks than usual to access food and testing supplies in their locker.
There are a number of potential problems with this though:
1. Test centers are inconsistent in how permissive they will be, and technically they're not supposed to allow you to access locker contents while the test is running.
2. You'll lose time from the test each time you take a break.
3. Some test centers won't allow food into the test center at all, or will not allow eating on premises.
You'd be safer going through the procedures for special accommodations.
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IrishAli
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 06:55 pm |
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You don't have to be snotty. My reaction was with regards to waiting for a reauthorization to test.
Well I guess they better make me remove my insulin pump as well, it might have top secret information in it. Or it might keep me alive. I was saying in all my years of taking tests, etc, it had never been a problem until LEED and I was wondering if anyone else here had dealt with this. And you don't have to be sorry for my 'condition', I am just fine- but I am just fine because I test and track myself so rigidly. I'm not seeking sympathy, just guidance.
Thank you AbracaPocus. The food was an issue and as for going to my locker to test, that seemed ridiculous to them when I was taking LEED. I was just wondering what others had done in this situation.........I don't want to have to be thinking about looking at the clock so I can go prick my finger.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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You know Ali, communication is a wonderful thing. Try saying what you mean and why.
I failed the mindreader exams, that's why I decided to go for architecture.
You received the guidance and your reply was Jeez.
That's why I responed. If that's what constitutes snotty in your mind, then so be it.
The bottom line is that this is all explained in the NCARB literature:
Special Testing Accommodations
All test centers in the Prometric network are designed to accommodate people with disabilities. Special testing accommodations will only be made with the authorization of your Board of Architecture.
To receive special accommodations you must make a request directly to your Board of Architecture. Your request must comply with requirements established by your Board and NCARB for people requesting special testing accommodations. Typically, these requirements include documentation of past accommodations, if any, and a specific diagnosis by an appropriately licensed professional that includes a description of the accommodations that are appropriate for your condition. The diagnosis should indicate how the condition substantially limits major life activity and its anticipated duration. The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) will be used by NCARB as a guide when evaluating special accommodation requests. This ensures fairness and consistency for all ARE candidates.
Once you have been approved for special accommodations, you will receive an Authorization to Test letter. To schedule your appointment, you must call the Special Conditions Department at the Prometric Candidate Services Contact Center at 800/967-1139 (800/529-3590 TTY). You cannot call the local test center or Prometric’s main contact center phone number to schedule an appointment if you require special testing accommodations.
If you arrive at the test site and do not have an approved Request for Special Testing Accommodations on file, you will not be admitted as a special accommodations candidate, but will be instructed to call your Board of Architecture to initiate the special testing accommodations process.
Please note that if your jurisdiction participates in NCARB’s Direct Registration program, your request for special accommodations must be submitted directly to NCARB. Please refer to the inside back cover of this publication to determine if your jurisdiction participates in Direct Registration.
Yes, it's a hassle.
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IrishAli
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 07:23 pm |
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I don't believe my question required the help of a mind reader. It was fairly clear that I was asking if there were any other diabetics out there that had done this, and what would they suggest doing- This is a forum to ask questions of those who have come before us, correct?
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 08:51 pm |
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I've taken 2 tests so far and didn't have any issues. I left my monitor, food, and juice in the lockers and knew that if I was in need of any of the abovementioned items that they were just a hop, skip, and jump away. If you're super nervous, start out with one of the less timely MC tests and move your way up.
PS- No issues re: the insulin pump. Good luck.
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IrishAli
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 09:01 pm |
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Thanks- we had issues about getting to the lockers during LEED (ie they wouldn't let me) - I have spoken with MD and think I might just cover my butt that way- no sense in worrying. sounds like you had a nice testing center!
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 09:42 pm |
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IrishAli wrote: Thanks- we had issues about getting to the lockers during LEED (ie they wouldn't let me) - I have spoken with MD and think I might just cover my butt that way- no sense in worrying. sounds like you had a nice testing center! The centers are notoriuosly inconsistent -- from center to center and day to day. That's the main reason why you should take care of yourself the official way. It's a pain but hopefully it will reduce your grief so you can concentrate on the exam.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 09:50 pm |
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i think you are on the right path, get the items needed to submit to either your state board or ncarb and get the process started. after your experience with the LEED exam it is likely that your exam center falls into the strict category. why tempt the extra stress when approaching your first ARE exam. you can always use the time waiting for the new ATT and all to study. best of luck!
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 10:05 pm |
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IrishAli wrote: Thanks- we had issues about getting to the lockers during LEED (ie they wouldn't let me) - I have spoken with MD and think I might just cover my butt that way- no sense in worrying. sounds like you had a nice testing center!
Unlike LEED, during an NCARB exam, it would be highly unusual for the Prometric staff to prevent you from accessing your locker. There is a sign-in sheet, and, if you leave during your exam, the only requirement is that you sign out, and take your photo ID with you. Then, when you return, you sign back in again. It's very straightforward.
But, it's doubtful you would be able to take food into the exam room. You are very smart to contact your Doc, and work through NCARB's proper channels. Still, after a few exams, the entire ARE procedure will become rudimentary, and your stress levels will likely decline. Also, taking some timed practice exams at home could alleviate stress, too.
Good Luck, and Don't Stress! 
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IrishAli
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 10:19 pm |
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jmcarr wrote: Good Luck, and Don't Stress!
Hahah thanks. I can't help it- my sugars go crazy for days before an exam! But thanks for the info
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 10:28 pm |
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Some of these posts are just illustrating the point that the individual test centers - and possibly individual staff within each test center - are wildly inconsistent in their understanding of and enforcement of the rules, and that they operate differently from center to center.
For example: the ARE rules state that no eating or drinking is allowed in the test center - not just the testing room. (page 17)
But we know that a lot of test centers seem to be allowing food in lockers, while others have signs posted all over the place saying no food on premises.
As for the procedure that jmcarr describes: there was no sign-in/out procedure like that at either of the test centers I used. They both had a desk with a person sitting at it, just outside the test room, with a row of lockers across from the desk, and a bathroom at one end of that anteroom. Everybody was free to leave the testing room to use the bathroom, with no signing in or out. Nobody was allowed to go past the anteroom (out to the lobby or parking) under any circumstances until they were done with their test. Some of the test center staff would let me access my locker during the breaks in my test, while others wouldn't.
Personally I would not count on test center staff being accommodating or cooperative.
Sure, the extra procedural steps and waiting are not going to be pleasant - but I'd go with the peace of mind.
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IrishAli
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 10:32 pm |
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| Yeah I am working on it. I actually caught MD before they did my final review- so I won't have to get a re-evaluation. Whew. Thanks everyone for your input!
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 10:38 pm |
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AbracaPocus wrote: As for the procedure that jmcarr describes: there was no sign-in/out procedure like that at either of the test centers I used. They both had a desk with a person sitting at it, just outside the test room, with a row of lockers across from the desk, and a bathroom at one end of that anteroom. Everybody was free to leave the testing room to use the bathroom, with no signing in or out. Nobody was allowed to go past the anteroom (out to the lobby or parking) under any circumstances until they were done with their test. Some of the test center staff would let me access my locker during the breaks in my test, while others wouldn't.
Personally I would not count on test center staff being accommodating or cooperative.
Sure, the extra procedural steps and waiting are not going to be pleasant - but I'd go with the peace of mind.
Jeez! (and I really mean it ). I am shocked. And, at my center, the bathrooms are located outside Prometric's suite, in a public corridor. During scheduled breaks, it was permitted to walk outside! It felt good to burn off stress with a power walk. This might deserve a new thread, but at some point, the honor system needs to kick in.
Abracapocus has good advice, as usual...work through NCARB's channels to minimize the unexpected.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 10:49 pm |
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As others have noted, every test center is different.
I recommend following NCARB's proceedure for arranging accomodations.
I also recommend bringing full documentation with you to the test center.
In the end, having your ducks in a row is the least stressful way to test.
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I took the graphics tests at a center where I could go sit in my truck during breaks, take a walk around the business complex, and even use my cell phone.
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| Yea, If you do not follow Ncarb protocol, you will be sorry.......
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 06:30 am |
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brudgers wrote: As others have noted, every test center is different.
I recommend following NCARB's proceedure for arranging accomodations.
I also recommend bringing full documentation with you to the test center.
In the end, having your ducks in a row is the least stressful way to test.
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I took the graphics tests at a center where I could go sit in my truck during breaks, take a walk around the business complex, and even use my cell phone.
Yep, I did that too for most exams. For the the last two, they told me I could not leave the building or I would be disqualified.
It is important to follow the current rules of the Prometrics test center.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 02:18 pm |
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Yeah, when I first started testing the test center staff encouraged me to leave the test center during the break in one of the longer exams, walk around and get a cup of coffee down the block.
But then when I took BT, which was toward the end of my run of tests, they said that it was in the rules that came up on their screen for the ARE that leaving the test center was absolutely not permitted. It actually says this in the ARE Guidelines for 3.1 and 4.0, but didn't say it in the 2.0 and 3.0 guidelines when I was first testing. I was a little annoyed since that test is so long and a cup of coffee would have helped!Last edited on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 02:20 pm by FinitoCompleto
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 03:33 pm |
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I can only speak from experience from my test center. We could have candy, juice and water just outside the ante room on a table next to the water bubbler, which a few people used. I could take in 1 piece of candy in a Kleenex (no wrapper noise allowed) if I needed it quickly. We could leave the Pro-metric on our breaks and no one said anything about not accessing out lockers.
I know it is a pain to go thru the NCARB hoops, but you have no idea who you are going to get day to day at the testing center and I agree it is better to have your bases officially covered.
You should hear the stories I know of from friends who had to pump for their babies during the long tests!
Good luck and please keep us updated!
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 07:08 pm |
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I can't stress enough how important it is to ask before you leave the center for any reason and tell them why.
If possible, stay within view of center staff.
The troubling part is that it is our responsibility to know the NCARB rules. The fact that someone at prometric says it's OK does not change the rules.
What happens if you're outside when the ARE expert for that center shows up for their shift and they also happen to be the proctor from hell? (figures don't it? hell... ncarb... ncarb... hell...)
Tough call.
It's just not worth getting screwed.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 07:41 pm |
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Yeah, plus they administer all these hundreds of different tests and they sometimes confuse the rules from one to another.
Once I got yelled out because I didn't have my "orange slip", and before I could convince the lady that I didn't start out with any orange slip this guy walked by with an orange slip of paper and it turned out that the test proctor had confused us and that the orange slip was related to the rules of his Refrigeration exam or something like that.
Other times they had to look up on the rules on their computers whether they were supposed to take my photograph (that's a rule for the GRE and some other tests), and whether to make me sign some declaration attesting that I was really me and that I wouldn't cheat (some ARE candidates have been made to sign this in some test centers, but it's not an NCARB rule).
It also always confused the proctors that a score report didn't spit out of their printer at the end - and I'd have to explain that the ARE doesn't have instant scoring/reporting.
Also some candidates have had their authorization letters shredded by Prometric staff, because that's the thing they're supposed to do on some other test...
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 08:52 pm |
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brudgers wrote: As others have noted, every test center is different.
I recommend following NCARB's proceedure for arranging accomodations.
I also recommend bringing full documentation with you to the test center.
In the end, having your ducks in a row is the least stressful way to test.
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I took the graphics tests at a center where I could go sit in my truck during breaks, take a walk around the business complex, and even use my cell phone.
the first time i tested, i left my lunch in the truck, and they would not let me out of the building to retrieve it, and since it was BT (long test), that was a drag. live and learn.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 11:50 pm |
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Ali-
If you decide to test in the L street center in D.C., you should call ahead and talk to them. They have an individual room for special test conditions and maybe you will qualify.
I took my inhaler into every exam. Not that I needed it....it is more of a security blanket. Anyway, I always just brought it up to the desk and took it "apart" and let them look inside. The first time, they asked to look inside it and from then on I took it apart for every subsequent exam. I never had any issues with it.
The lockers are located within the testing center so, you can have a snack right there in the lobby/locker area. I did it numerous times.
The D.C. prometric ladies are pretty reasonable. Call them up. Be nice, and they will play nice.
PROMETRIC TEST CENTER
Phone: 202-833-2005 - Cand Use
Site Code: 0062
1660 L STREET NW
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Wow...with medical situation like that, and you still want to pass the exam to become an Architect? Now you remind me why I wanted to become an Architect.
This might be the best reason to tell GC not to issue change orders... perfect way to keep the project under budget.  You can also tell GC & Client not to give you too much stress & they will leave you alone.
I admire your perseverance!
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i am a diabetic as well. i was diagnosed at the time i started testing and was really having problems keeping my blood sugar balanced. my greatest worry was it suddenly dropping. luckily, i do not have that problem anymore.
in order to allow the texas board to let me take in blood testing equipment and food, i had to formerly write ncarb for permission. after they ok'd it, they sent the letter to the texas board. the texas board approved what NCARB allowed.
i asked for additional breaks and to allow me to take me meter and glucose tablets into the testing room in case of low blood sugar episodes. they allowed this, but the process for approval took three months.
the real problems came from Prometric who administers the tests. the tests MUST be manually paused by test administrators when you want to take a break. prometric people thought that the extra time was already built into the program, but it is not. a couple of times i took breaks and they did not know how to pause the exam. all they had to do was turn the computer off but they were afraid if that occured the test would be lost. a couple of times they were able to pause the exams successfully.
when i contacted ARE operations to tell them that I was having problems, they were helpful. at one point, they threw out a failing MEP grade because the administrator did not know how to pause the exam. in the end, i ended up being able to retake that exam without having to wait the six months for failing and ARE opeations paid for the retake as well as giving me two free exams. this was nice, but the stress from going to the test centers each time not knowing what was going to happen added to an already stressful situation.
get your approvals asap. it takes a while and if your clock is ticking, while you are waiting the clock does not stop. when you are ready to take exams, call the testing center the day before and make sure they know what to do. sometimes they say they do, but come time to stop the exam they may not. also, call ARE operations in new york and talk to annie or michelle. they are in charge of ARE operations which supervises prometric and were extremely helpful. hopefully, by now the process is easier. they recommended calling them the day before the exam as well so that they could make sure things were properly set up.
also, do not be conservative in what you ask for in your letter to ncarb. all they can say is no and they are extremely fair. i asked to be allowed to take 3-4 breaks during the exams just to be sure. and you will also have to set up your exams with the special accomodations branch of prometric. this is not that much of a big deal, but takes a little extra time and sometimes they are not completely aware of your accomodations. also, since you will be asking for extra breaks, your allotted time will be greater so it will be a little harder to schedule your exams and you will have to do so by phone not on the computer.
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