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Meigs9
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 04:54 pm |
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FYI-
This was just emailed to me..... A clarification of the "6-month rule".
http://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPublic/id:22587.1136986079/rid:3c7f187b88187cafda6119125e068d9d
Get the Facts About the IDP Reporting Proposal
At NCARB's Annual Meeting and Conference later this month, the 54 Member Boards of the National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB) will vote on [url=http://e2ma.net/go/1136986079/1032655/37819696/goto:http://www.ncarb.org/newsclips/Resolution2008-07.pdf]Resolution 2008-07 Handbook for Interns and Architects Amendment Reporting Requirement for IDP Training Units[/url] (PDF), which addresses both how and when interns will report their training units in the future, in order to make the internship experience more constructive and valuable.
The resolution requires interns that start an NCARB Record on or after 1 July 2009 to submit IDP training units in reporting periods of no more than six months. Training units would need to be submitted electronically within two months of completion of each six-month reporting period. The "Six-Month Rule" as it has been nicknamed, would also be phased in to apply to all interns by 1 July 2010.
The resolution is designed to improve both the accuracy of reporting and the overall IDP experience, as well as reduce the amount of time it takes to complete IDP. By documenting training hours every few months (with six months as the maximum), interns and supervisors can review progress made and develop a plan for acquiring training in the remaining areas. This should help prevent an intern from being surprised by falling short of required training units at the end of his or her internship.
The implementation dates for the "Six-Month Rule" are dependent on a fully tested and operational electronic reporting system. If the electronic reporting system is not fully operational six months prior to the implementation date, it will be delayed.
The proposed resolution has generated much interest and some concern from those involved in all aspects of IDP. In an effort to address these concerns and correct misleading information, we have put together the following [url=http://e2ma.net/go/1136986079/1032655/37819697/goto:http://www.ncarb.org/newsclips/FAQs-SixMonthRule.pdf]Factually Answered Questions (FAQs)[/url] about Resolution 2007-08. The IDP e-news in early July will have the result of the Member Board vote as well as more information about the "Six-Month Rule."
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AbracaPocus
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 06:26 pm |
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Well, now that they finally have a probably date set for this I'd strongly suggest to any interns who haven't started a council record yet to do it NOW!!!!
If you wait until shortly before the July 1, 2009 deadline you'll likely find yourself in the midst of a paperwork pile-up backlog of unprecedented length (even for NCARB!)
Plus, that language about the new electronic database all sounds a little iffy and unconfident... I'd hate to be a guinea pig for that...
Do not delay! Get that council record established today!!
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calgmin
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 04:07 am |
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Meigs9 wrote: The implementation dates for the "Six-Month Rule" are dependent on a fully tested and operational electronic reporting system. If the electronic reporting system is not fully operational six months prior to the implementation date, it will be delayed.
This is the first I've heard of this, and, of course, my first thoughts are of an NCARB version of Excel. Scary! They might be rushing things too much - trying to complete it with only a 6 month(!) buffer.
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oakdale
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 10:21 pm |
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Looks like the AIA is going to try to fight it. I just got this email:
Associate Member ***ALERT*** ***Because of the importance of this issue, Associate Members will be receiving a series of alerts over the next two weeks about the status of the “6 Month Rule”. Please contact your Regional Associate Directors or the AIA National Board of Directors if you have any questions.
The National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB) will be VOTING NEXT WEEK on Resolution 2008-07, commonly known as the “6 Month Rule”. If passed, this rule will require mandatory reporting of IDP Training Units every 6 months. Under this new rule, training that is not reported within that time period, will begin to expire similar to the “Rolling Clock”. The National Associates Committee (NAC), has voiced their concerns about this rule for the past three years. Now, due to the severity of the resolution, the AIA National Board has taken a formal position against this resolution because they see it as an impediment to licensure. Resolution 2008-07 has three parts: An electronic reporting system, supervisor guidelines, and a 6 month regulated reporting period. All of these parts can and should exist separately; however the resolution, as written links them together. An electronic reporting system has infinite potential and supervisor guidelines could improve the richness of the IDP process, but a 6 month regulated reporting period is an impediment to licensure, invalidating IDP training experience. Since these three parts are linked together, we ask that you oppose Resolution 2008-07. For more information about the “6 Month Rule” http://www.aia.org/ep_sixmorule
See this week’s edition of The AIA Angle http://www.aia.org/angle_nwsltr_current#IDP and tomorrow’s AIArchitect for articles regarding the “6 Month Rule”
If you have any questions, comments, or want to show your support please contact your Regional Associate Director http://www.aia.org/nac_committeemembers&grandCh=yes or the AIA National Board of Directors http://www.aia.org/about_board
Last edited on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 10:23 pm by oakdale
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architect54
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 08:41 pm |
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We should start a letter writing campaign voicing opinion against this 6-month rule.
Here is an AIA article with reasons this rule is not helpful to our profession.
http://www.aia.org/angle_nwsltr_current#IDP
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txIDPguy
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 09:25 pm |
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Nothing can be done at this point but wait and see how it turns out. The annual NCARB meeting begins today and runs through Saturday and the state boards will have all decided as a board on how to vote by now. As I was informed earlier this week, the Texas board voted at their board meeting in mid May to vote in favor of it.
I bet we'll have our update on NCARB's website by the end of this coming week.
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Cali_Clara
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 09:37 am |
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Does that mean: If you stated a NCARB record before July 1st 2008, we can still submit 6 yrs worth of IDP credits? i.e. if I sign up now and have my employers sign/verify of the forms I won't b subjected to the '6 month rule'?
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It silly because you don't even need IDP to be licensed in CA. I'd only do this for a some remote chance I've ever move out of CA, (though it would be horrible to move, CA is awesome).
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brudgers
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 02:43 pm |
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Cali_Clara wrote: Does that mean: If you stated a NCARB record before July 1st 2008, we can still submit 6 yrs worth of IDP credits? i.e. if I sign up now and have my employers sign/verify of the forms I won't b subjected to the '6 month rule'?
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It silly because you don't even need IDP to be licensed in CA. I'd only do this for a some remote chance I've ever move out of CA, (though it would be horrible to move, CA is awesome).
Doesn't matter, I'd recommend doing it now.
It will only become more difficult to document your experience over time.
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txIDPguy
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 05:00 pm |
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Actually if it passes you'll have until July 1, 2009 to just start your file without risking losing anything, and then until July 1, 2010 to get it reported. The rule will only affect those who open NCARB records after July 1, 2009 for the first year, then expand to everybody.
But I'd advise doing it sooner rather than later. Get it done now so it wont be an issue for you later.
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Cali_Clara
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 05:28 pm |
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| Thanks , I actually misread the start date.
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OjaiDave
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 12:16 am |
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The resolution passed over the weekend, by a disappointingly landslide vote of 49-1.
http://www.ncarb.org/newsclips/june08Resolutions.html
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 02:41 am |
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OjaiDave wrote: The resolution passed over the weekend, by a disappointingly landslide vote of 49-1.
http://www.ncarb.org/newsclips/june08Resolutions.html
The upside of the meeting was allowing basic credits to be aquired through the Emerging Professional's Companion.
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architect54
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 04:51 pm |
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OjaiDave wrote: The resolution passed over the weekend, by a disappointingly landslide vote of 49-1.
http://www.ncarb.org/newsclips/june08Resolutions.html
Where is the uproar regarding this? This is tragic.
From how I understand, this affects every starting an IDP record "on and after July 1, 2010."
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txIDPguy
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 05:01 pm |
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it affects all new Council Records after July 1, 2009 and then ALL council records starting July 1, 2010, assuming they have the online reporting system tested and operational by this coming January 1. If not it'll get pushed back to correspond.
As for the uproar, why bother, cant fight it now anyway, the state board's have spoken.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 05:14 pm |
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They lowered the duration periods for employment situations again - for the 2nd time in the last 5 years.
Now it's 32 hours for 8 consecutive weeks to count for full time, and 15 hours for 8 consecutive weeks to count for part time (down from 20 hours for 6 consecutive months.)
So in some ways they're making things easier - especially for students...
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