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Posted: Tue May 3rd, 2005 05:32 pm |
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I knew I would find it eventually. This is a post from General Topics where a lot of people contributed. I hope this helps. If I recall correctly, some people got weirded out by the question as well...
http://www.areforum.org/forums/forum10/1980.html
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Posted: Tue May 3rd, 2005 06:00 pm |
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BArch: 2002 / Working towards my license
Summer Position during school: $8/hr
Job 1: $15/hr, no benefits (directly out of school)
Job 2: $33,000 with insurance benefits only, after 6 months $36,000
Job 3: $40,000 with insurance benefits only
Job 4: $45,000 with benefits (little overtime)
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Posted: Tue May 3rd, 2005 06:10 pm |
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Reposted from the M3 link above and edited to reflect changes.
Work in a small firm of about 6 in the chicagoland area. 7 years of experiance. When I pass I expect to get nothing for it.
I passed the exams since and I got zip for it.
As of right now I add it up like this:
Salary $46,500
Yearly increase was to $49,000
Overtime $1,500-$2,000
Bonus $2,000
Medical $13,000 Paid for by them. Does not come out of my salary and covers wife, child, and myself.
Total $63,000 or without the medical $50,000
New total $65,500 or without the medical $52,500 or somewhere therabouts.
I have always gotten a decent raise from them from 5-10% for the last 5 years.
And that was what I got this year.
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Posted: Tue May 3rd, 2005 07:00 pm |
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2000 1st job starting 37.5k
2001 39.5k
2002 2nd job 40k
2003 42k
2003 3rd job 45k
2004 47k
2005 50k + 1k bonus
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Posted: Sun May 8th, 2005 01:23 am |
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| I was hired out of school and moved to Vegas starting at 32k with benefits (Health & Dental). After a year I got a dollar an hour raise, but my responsibilities increased dramatically. My billing rate is $90/hr. After doing the calcs (using the firm's 4 as the factor) I found that I should be making considerably more. Currently I am at 33k with a B. Arch, 4 years experience, and a LEED AP (which doesn't mean as much as a Licence, but should mean something)
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Posted: Tue May 10th, 2005 06:10 pm |
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Last two years of undergrad (Bach. of Env. Design) I worked part time for $10/hour - no benefits.
I interviewed in So Cal, Central FL and major cities in Texas. I got virtually the same offers in CA, FL and part time job in Texas. I was offered about 5K more in Houston so I went with the money.
I currently make 50K with medical, vision and 401K (allowed up to 14K contribution a year by state law with employer match). 3K bonus each year (split between June and December) and +- 3K raise each year.
I have four years of experience post graduation (2001). I currently am a project manager for projects under construction and do a little bit of drafting in the office.
I asked for more money when my responsibilities changed from drafting full time to CA full time but was told I was being compensated fairly. So I enrolled in law school and will make my money when I open my own firm. 
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Posted: Tue May 10th, 2005 07:03 pm |
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guest76 wrote: I was hired out of school and moved to Vegas starting at 32k with benefits (Health & Dental). After a year I got a dollar an hour raise, but my responsibilities increased dramatically. My billing rate is $90/hr. After doing the calcs (using the firm's 4 as the factor) I found that I should be making considerably more. Currently I am at 33k with a B. Arch, 4 years experience, and a LEED AP (which doesn't mean as much as a Licence, but should mean something)
You are getting hosed man... We hire interns straight out of college for more than that. And you've only gotten $1k worth of raises in 4 years??? Why the hell are you still working there??? You do realize that if you factor in inflation you are probably making less money now than when you first started there 4 years ago, right?
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Posted: Tue May 10th, 2005 07:33 pm |
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guest wrote: 2000 1st job starting 37.5k
2001 39.5k
2002 2nd job 40k
2003 42k
2003 3rd job 45k
2004 47k
2005 50k + 1k bonus
In what city are you? Htese numbers need to be looked at per region.
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Posted: Tue May 10th, 2005 08:13 pm |
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Bachelors of Arch, 2000
99 (summer intern) $6/hr
Job #1: Central Ca / schools
00 - $25K
Job #2: Socal / schools
01 - $32K
02 - $35K
03 - $38K
Job #3: Socal / residential
04 - $56K
05 - $58K
Job #4: Socal / multidisciplined
05 - $57K
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Posted: Tue May 10th, 2005 08:50 pm |
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at first, i was like 'hey turbo, take it easy...' but then i re-read guest76's post. turbo's right. rule of thumb is that you should be getting at least a 3% raise each year to adjust for inflation. if that doesn't happen then something's very wrong.
4 years should get you about 40-45k, i think. yes, you should be making more.
your billing rate should be approximately 3 - 3.5 times what your hourly wage is assuming you get full benefits.
TurboJugend wrote:
guest76 wrote: I was hired out of school and moved to Vegas starting at 32k with benefits (Health & Dental). After a year I got a dollar an hour raise, but my responsibilities increased dramatically. My billing rate is $90/hr. After doing the calcs (using the firm's 4 as the factor) I found that I should be making considerably more. Currently I am at 33k with a B. Arch, 4 years experience, and a LEED AP (which doesn't mean as much as a Licence, but should mean something)
You are getting hosed man... We hire interns straight out of college for more than that. And you've only gotten $1k worth of raises in 4 years??? Why the hell are you still working there??? You do realize that if you factor in inflation you are probably making less money now than when you first started there 4 years ago, right?
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Posted: Wed May 11th, 2005 01:02 pm |
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sc wrote: guest wrote: 2000 1st job starting 37.5k
2001 39.5k
2002 2nd job 40k
2003 42k
2003 3rd job 45k
2004 47k
2005 50k + 1k bonus
In what city are you? Htese numbers need to be looked at per region.
Northeast, and all these jobs include a lot of overtime (more with the first jobs and less now as I have gotten burned out some) and responsibility beyond the typical for people with my years of experience. I have typically carried and run projects similar to my co-works with 4-7 years more experience than I have now and so far I think I am doing a good job.
So the firms I have worked for have been getting a deal since they do not have to hire more senior people to run these projects...
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Posted: Wed May 11th, 2005 09:43 pm |
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In 2005' I made $44,000...got about 15 buildings built
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Posted: Thu May 12th, 2005 06:34 pm |
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manfromearth wrote: I should mention we stay really busy IMHO...usually completing 12 to 15 buildings a year and its just the 2 of us. We do it all; answer the phone, run copies, do drawings, designing, site visists, and office managing. Mostly commercial, some high end residential.
I'm pretty sure my boss clears about 300 large in the average year in fees. Not bad for a 2 man gig with practically no overhead other than paying the mortgage on his house and paying me.
I feel pretty underpaid but I've never been sure.
Why don't you interact with him and see if something can be changed? Maybe suggest profit sharing or a raise? It may work out, or you could always bide your time take the exam , finish the exam, and set up shop as competition to your boss...
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Posted: Thu May 12th, 2005 11:45 pm |
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Working (AT) the same company since 1999 (graduation) & taking ARE (Not licensed yet) - Single / Multi Family Residential
04' - Present: 54k (P.M.)+ 3k bonus + NO OVERTIME + 50% of Health Insu. + 3 weeks of vacation + 1 week of sick days
03'-04': 42k (Intern) + 1k bonus + N.O. + 50% of H.I. + 3 weeks of vacation + 1 week S.D.
00'-03': 40 k + 1k bonus + N.O. + 50% of H.I. + 2 weeks of vacation + 1 week S.D.
99'-00': 38k + 500 bonus + N.O. + 50% of H.I. + 2 weeks of vacation + 1 week S.D.
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Posted: Wed May 25th, 2005 06:31 pm |
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BArch 2003
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Summer 2002 (Navel Architect)(while in school) - $15/hr
Fort Lauderdale, FL
1st job (25 person firm): $15/hr then after a year got a 5% raise to a whopping $15.75/hr great benifits full medical, dental, and 401K with matching contributions. decent bonus (AT) end of first year, no bonus the following year. Worked there for 1.5 years
Boca Raton, FL
2nd and current job (3 person firm): $40,000/yr salery, benifits ok, full medical and some sort of IRA, from what I here small bonus
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Posted: Wed May 25th, 2005 10:09 pm |
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| Not bad for for only 2 years experience there, Fafa Fo-high!
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2005 01:17 pm |
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LDinNYC wrote:
Not bad for for only 2 years experience there, Fafa Fo-high!
yeah i was at the right time at the right place. They really needed some one and i came recomended by an architect that worked for them before. Well anyway, i'm thinking of eventually relocating to NYC but there's no way i would be able to afford it from what i hear the saleries there for some one without thier license is about the same as down here in south florida, but as you well know the cost of living is crazy over there. from your experience about how much can someone with somewhere between 2-3 years experience should earn.
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2005 02:50 pm |
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| manfromearth: if you work on your employer's premises, on a regular fulltime schedule, using his equipment, meeting his deadlines, then it is illegal for him to pay you as a consultant. If you were to contact the department of labor about this you could get some compensation (even for a couple years retroactively) for what he should have been paying in ss, etc. Of course this would not do much for your relationship with him and you'd probably find yourself looking for another job. Still, there are a bunch of tests that the DOL uses to determine whether an someone is an employee or self employed - some of which I listed above - and it isn't right for him to pay you as a consultant if you meet the criteria of an employee.
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2005 04:02 pm |
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Graduated in May 2004 In NY - 5Year Bachelors in Architecture
First Arch Job - (NYC)
Summer of 2004 - P/T, 3 Days a Week, $100/Week, As a consultant, I paid my own taxes, etc... No bonuses, no nothing!
Second Arch Job- (Long Island, NY)
Fall 2005 (Only stayed there 3.5 months)- F/T - 40+ hours a week, $10/hour, As a consultant, I was responsible for taxes, insurance, etc... No bonuses, no overtime (I worked A LOT of overtime), no nothing! Promised a full time salary, with insurance after 3 months, never got it (said he had no money!) HA! So I left! Should have been considered an actual employee there, but got USED, BIG TIME!
Third Job- (Long Island, NY)
Current- Working for a furnitue dealership, in charge of the CAD Department, responsible for all aspects of design layouts, drawings, renderings, etc...
*$37,000/Year
*$125 Travel Expenses/month
*$300/month towards Health Insurance
*AWSOME work enviornment with my own private office!
Down side is, probably won't count towards my registration. Which is how I found myself here. Trying to get info on how to get registered! 
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2005 04:40 pm |
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Shannon: go to http://www.ncarb.org click on the IDP category, and order an IDP information packet. You'll get a booklet that explains all the rules about training in various settings.
Sadly, I don't know if any of your jobs so far will count, because in your first you didn't work enough hours per week, your second may not have lasted long enough, and your third isn't supervised by a registered architect.
In general, for a job to count toward IDP, you must either work a minimum of 35 hours per week for 10 weeks straight, or you must work a minimum of 20 hours per week for 6 months straight.
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Well, I know my second job will qualify, b/c I did work there for 10 weeks straight for at least 35 hours.. but I know the others don't count. AND, who knows, that guy was a jerk, so he prob won't even sign off on the papers anyway! However, I think, my current job qualifies under Category C or D if I am not mistaken...???
Ordered the IDP package...waiting and waiting and waiting for it to come!
Also, how do I find a Mentor!? I don't know ANYONE in the Arch field!?!?
I need to find a job to pay off school loans AND get my licence!!! Its impossible as an Architectural Intern/Junior Architect... Whatever I am supposed to be calling myslef!?
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2005 06:24 pm |
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It usually takes about 2 weeks for the IDP packet to arrive. If it has been longer then call or email NCARB. Many find that they need to push NCARB all along the process to do things on time (by their own published timeline.)
Your non-architecture experience may count in one of the categories you mention. Make sure to check with your state's board too though. There are a few states with rules more restrictive than NCARB's.
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Posted: Thu May 26th, 2005 06:26 pm |
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| As far as the mentor: many AIA chapters will refer you to a participating architect if you call and request this. If you can't find someone locally you could ask a former professor or employer.
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B Arch 2000
Job 1(2000-2002 in MA: 50K w/ benefits not including bonus & overtime
Job 2(2003 to present) in GA: 48K w/ benefits not icluding bonus & overtime
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Large Firm - 100+
10yrs experience, licenced, project arch - 70k w/health, dental, 401k
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BARCH 1996 - No license, still 
Job 1: 1996 24K no benifits (4 person firm) Drafter
Job 2: 1997 35K - 401k/employee paid health (6 person firm) Drafter/CAD Manager
Job 3: 2000 50k - No benifits (4 person firm) Project Manager/CAD Manager
Job 4: 2001 75k - Principle/Partner of own firm (an Architect and myself)... firm fails in 16 months later.
Unemployed 6 months.... odd contract work....
Job 5: 2003 Contract Work for small firm + own clients - $33/hour + clients = 90k, but dying under the work load... and trying to study is impossible.
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Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2005 04:56 pm |
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Kevin67,
Your totally right about my situation. I do use my bosses equipment, down to the lead in my pencils. I'm at his house atleast 40 hours a week. So, bottom line I'm his employee although....conveniently (for him atleast) I'm not.
With that said, he made it clear from the start what he had up his sleeve. He spelled out his evil plan to turn me into his slave and chain me to a drafting board. All in all its been a nightmare. The guy is an insane workaholic. But I knew what I was getting into from the start. As soon as I'm done with the test I will move on.
As I see it, here was an opportunity to really get experience, study under one guy who is known primarily around town as a GREAT DESIGNER. He does alot of curved buildings and wild stuff. He also has a huge variety of work falling into his lap. Interiors,Commercial,Residential, Sacred, Instuitional, you name it...he's done it. Some of the weirdier stuff being, a monastery, several funeral homes, a golf course, a Lewis and Clark musuem, residences for major league baseball players, and professional musicians....stuff like that.
However, the upside if that I feel like I've learned 12 years worth of architecture in 6 years time. I've drawn up atleast 150 projects and seen 100 of them built. That's alot in a 6 year stint. We do as much work as a 10 person firm with only 2 people. (At least the 10 person's firms I've worked at...2 different ones). I think at our busiest point in 6 years we had 43 projects going...and a staff of 2!!! He's taught me what I'm capable of...which is alot more than I ever realized.
Another huge plus, my boss lets me take on as much responsibility as I want. He's literally handed entire jobs over to me and never followed up except to collect money. So I hope that working at this sweat shop will pay off. I know it pays off for him, he pulls in about 300 grand a year on average.
Bottomline, he's totally open with everything...I can literally ask him any question about architecture, and he'll spill the beans as he sees it. He's opened his books before to show me exactly how he bills...what he bills..and how he sells his services. He's a mastermind at business.
A few interesting points....he doesn't belong to AIA. He is however NCARB certified and licensed in 15 states. He doesn't carry insurance and he doesn't use contracts. Never wears a suit...infact will meet clients in shorts and NO SHIRT...BEAR CHESTED. He doesn't advertise at all...you can't even find his name in the phone book under architects. He's been working out of his house for 33 years now..so he serves as a business model of how to be your own boss.
He's totally taking advantage of me, I know it and he knows it....but I feel like he treats me as an equal. He's shared everything he knows about architecture with me....and I've learned a great deal from him. With all that said, I don't agree with alot of his tactics, or his designs, but he's made a good mentor.
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