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Posted: Mon Jun 27th, 2005 09:18 pm |
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manofearth,
that sounds like some tremendous experience. what some people wouldnt give to know what you know.
but to answer your first question - yes you are underpaid, but w/o being licensed, only by 5k +-
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Posted: Mon Jun 27th, 2005 11:41 pm |
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Kevin has done a great job of explaining everything that helps determine a firm's billing rate. As an owner of a small firm, we include 10% profit into our billable rates. My experience has been that salaries and benefits are the single biggest expense we have (some 2/3 of gross billings). Further, unless your firm is getting paid for each project on an hourly basis, it really doesn't matter what your billing rate is. What matters is what your hourly operating cost is per employee. This number must allow the cost of non-billable time for things like vacations/sick time as well as marketing and administrative tasks, in addition to all of the operating expenses. Knowing what this cost is allows you to convert flat fees into an actual manhour budget for a project. When you divide this out, if this doesn't sound like enough hours, then you need to increase your fee, or pass on the project.
For those of you who have commented on your desire to go out on your own after you are registered, be prepared. Having survived the slow down of 2001-2003, I would say to have a minimum of six months income and operating expenses in savings before you start. Have new equipment, software, furnishings, etc. bought and paid for. Have a business plan, including a well-defined marketing plan. Educate yourself on business structures, tax advantages, liability issues of each. Find good accountant, attorney and financial planner. Establish a line of credit with a bank so you don't worry about slow paying clients, many of whom think you are providing interim construction financing. If you have employees, be prepared to pay everyone but yourself when business is slow. Understand that health insurance for individuals and small businesses is extremely expensive and often does not cover pre-existing conditions you may have, which is precisely why you need health insurance. Research professional liability insurance rates, understand how the type of projects you do will impact your liability rates, and then be prepared for them to increase exponentially each year, despite your claim-free history.
It's a different kind of lifestyle, and not for the faint of heart, or for people who like to leave their job at the office. There are many rewards to owning your own firm, but often you have to look beyond the $$ and find that personal satisfaction is worth a great deal as well.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28th, 2005 12:06 am |
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Wow!! DFWTX, this is a great posting.
Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28th, 2005 07:29 pm |
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B of Arts Architecture (4 yr) 2001; not licensed
1st Job
2001 $28500 + $1000 bonus
2002 $32,000 + $3000 bonus
2003 $37,000 + $5000 bonus
2004 $40,000 + $10,000 bonus (100% benefits included in all 4 yrs)
Bonuses not common in this area, and based solely on performance at the firm. If you're not liked in the firm they dont' give bonuses out. I was fortunately liked so did well. High profile commercial work in Chicago
2nd Job
2005 $42,000 bonus doubtful (small residential firm) + 50% health insurance
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Posted: Wed Jun 29th, 2005 06:58 am |
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ColdLamper wrote: bruceprice wrote: 50k + health insurance in New York City w/ a masters degree and 4 years of experience. small residential firm. I think that this is probably avg. to slightly above average... and it's barely enough to get by in nyc. (I pay 5-10k more a year for rent than I would in most parts of the country.)
I plan to ask for a raise when I finish the ARE process- hopely to the 55-60k range. My plan of attack is to ask if my boss will bill more for my hours once I'm licensed. If he raises my billing rate from $80 up to $100/hr, for example, then he's billing as much as 40k more a year for my time- and I figure I'm entitled to a good chunk of that. (now that I think about it, if he starts billing $100 hour, I want more than 60k- thanks for making me think about this!)
My approach will be very similar, except I am going to approach it with the idea of my salary increase being based on what percentage my billable rate is increasing (about 20%). I am currently making $20 / hour, so I figure to be around $24 / hour when it's all said and done. Seems fair to me.
Finally had my review. Was offered a 10% raise, which makes me the highest paid non-partner in the office. I was hoping for more and told them that, but they explained where they were coming from with their offer.
I think my expectations of the raise were a little high due to the fact that my raise last year was 12%, based mainly on a major increase in responsibility and a glowing evaluation. And not knowing where the salary ceiling in my firm for the non-partnered staff, I had my sights set pretty high.
All in all, I am very happy at my office and would never quit over something like this. They may still come back to me with a slightly bigger raise offer, but I am not holding my breath. 10% is a pretty good raise, especially when you consider what I make now.
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| Congratulations, ColdLamper. 10% is not too shabby. My review is in July--should be interesting.
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Posted: Fri Jul 1st, 2005 01:07 pm |
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| Good going Cold Glad to hear you got a raise.
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M-arch 2004
Job 1 -2003 Summer Intern - 14$/hr
Job 2- May 2004-Feb2005 - 30k with benefits(health, dental, vision & 401k)
-Feb2005 - current - 10% increase. Currently at 33k with benefits
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Posted: Fri Jul 8th, 2005 10:53 pm |
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Posted same question under another topic, but this thread might be more appropriate. What can a recent graduate ('05) look to make in the South Central States, specifically Mississippi? The most recent info. I can find is based on 2002 data. The location is not my first choice, but I have found suprisingly interesting people and a few interesting low profile projects. This does not include you know who desiging the new Ohr museum in Biloxi.
Monster suggests $32,200 median for "Arch I", whatever that is.
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After receiving BS Economics, BA design of Environment (4 years undergrad)
job 1: I-banker in NYC (less than 30 people, investment boutique/consultant)
1995 33K + 25k bonus
1996 42K + 30K bonus
1997 65K + 60k bonus
I shopped around b4 heading to grad school. Mkt rate for someone with my experience at the time working in cross-border leveraged lease finance was $100K salary + $20K guaranteed bonus.
summer intern in NYC (less than 7 people)
1998 $12/hr (no benefits except for hanging out in NYC again)
summer part-time intern in Ann Arbor, MI (it was just me and the principal doing private residences)
1999 $10/hr (no benefits) worked maybe 10-16 hours a week
2000 $10/hr (no benefits) worked maybe 10-16 hours a week
After receiving March (3+ years masters)
job 2: job captain in OAK (the firm was known for technically high quality docs and roll-out type bldgs. Clients are primarily public companies. The firm was +150 employees in 2 offices N.Cal and S.Cal)
2001 33k + 5K bonus
2002 42K + 1K bonus
2003 60K + 3K bonus
job 3: architect III in ATL (In this firm, the title doesn't show up on marketing and cards; it is purely for billing rate and what phase of licensing you're in. arch I = just starting, arch II = in IDP, arch III = taking exams. This firm is large +800 employees in multiple offices in US and one in Canada. Primary clients are institutional and government.)
2004 42K + 1K bonus
2005 44K + ? bonus
NOTE: All the jobs included paid time off of about 2 weeks (officially), but my supervisors have been pretty flexible. Medical and Dental were included or subsidized. 401(K) plans.
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Awu, don't take this the wrong way, but are you nuts? 
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Posted: Tue Jul 12th, 2005 11:09 pm |
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Scully504 wrote:
Awu, don't take this the wrong way, but are you nuts?
The more I learn the less I make! tra-la-la
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1st job 1998: 30K
2nd job 1999-2001: started at 32k up to 38k in 3 years
3rd job 2001-2005: started at 52k now making 80k
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Posted: Thu Jul 14th, 2005 07:45 pm |
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| I've been out of school for 1 year, and I'm making $30k, no benefits right now. When I started here, they hired me contract at $15/ hr, which I think is a total rip off and I will never again accept "contract work" from a firm that expects me to behave as an actual employee. My year review is coming up soon and I hear rumors that my form gives a 10-15% yearly raise. I plan to ask for more now that I know how valuable I am to the firm.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16th, 2005 06:03 pm |
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Graduated B Arch '96
Tried to start my own business out of school - made about $10 000. Also unloaded trucks at night, worked as a tutor, did construction in the summer to keep food on the table. This was in eastern Canada.
Quebec, Canada '97, $20k approx. - Cad
Western Canada '98-'00, $24 - 27k. Cad Monkey, little bit of responsibility.
Western Canada '00-03. Started as mostly Cad, discovered that I was pretty good at talking with clients so went from about $28 - 48k over 3 years. Mostly health care work.
Moved to southern California '03-present. More responsibility. Pretty much on par with licensed architects in office. Thought I was making a huge raise by making 67k plus about $3k/yr bonus but I can't afford a house here.
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Posted: Mon Jul 18th, 2005 04:57 am |
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There is a book that has all the salary information for the country, broken down by locality, size of firm, and level of experience. I don't remember what its called but its put out once a year and they have a copy at the local AIA office where I am...anybody can go in a have a look, you don't have to be a member. Its pretty accurate. I would imagine they have a copy at other AIA offices as well.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2005 08:24 pm |
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it's the aia firm survey report.
i'd be surprised if you can find a current copy 04' since it's that sort of info that many employers/aia don't want us to see, hence the inflated cost of it. you may be able to get an older copy and use inflation factors 3-3.5%.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2005 10:16 pm |
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The AIA salary survey isn't published every year. The most current one is from 2002. The next one is scheduled to come out this October.
Using an older one and multiplying by an inflation factor is one strategy - though in many regions salaries actually dropped from the 1998 or 1999 salary survey to the 2002 survey.
This survey is available as a .pdf from http://www.aia.org - you can purchase the section on particular region of the country for $45, or the whole survey - I think for about $150.
Some AIA offices will allow you to read a copy in their office.
A free and accurate source of info that is often overlooked: contact your state's Department of Labor and ask for the web address of their "Occupational and Employment Wages" page. This will show up-to-date actual salaries for the region, in many categories.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2005 10:39 pm |
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| For all those who are interested, http://www.archinect.com has an excellent salary posting forum....it is TOTALLY anonymous and is organized well.
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Posted: Thu Jul 21st, 2005 12:28 pm |
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This is from "building Design & Construction News"
Architects' salaries outpace professional wages
Dave Barista
July 1, 2005
Building Design and Construction
It pays to be an architect. At least that's what the American Institute of Architects is suggesting after releasing its recent compensation survey.
Architects, on average, earn slightly more than $60,000 a year, including overtime, bonuses, and incentive compensation, according to the AIA survey of 1,200 firms, conducted in Q1 2005. That's 33% higher than the average $45,000 wage of typical white-collar professional jobs.
Wages at architecture firms have grown faster than salaries in other professions for the past nine years, according to the U.S. Labor Department. Architect wages grew at a 10% clip between 2002 and 2005, while compensation for general professionals grew just 7% during the same period.
Principals and partners made the biggest gains during past three years, jumping 9% to $159,800 in average annual compensation. Managers and department heads ($85,800), architects and designers ($57,700), and interns ($38,000) all experienced gains of slightly more than 3%. An increased demand for technical staff, such as 3-D modeling specialists, helped boost their average wage 5.7%, to $53,700.
Large firms are willing to pay more for architects, according to the survey. Those employed at firms with 250+ staff members earned $74,200 on average—4% more than architects working in firms with 100–249 staffers and 8% more than designers in companies with 50–99 employees. Firms with fewer than 10 employees paid just $59,400 on average—25% less than firms in the 250+ category.
"We thought there would be plenty of small, niche firms that could afford to pay higher salaries," says Diego Saltes, AIA's director of economics and market research. "But that wasn't the case. The larger firms pay more across the board."
For a presentation of the survey results, visit: http://www.aia.org/siteobjects/files/econ_2005conventionpres.ppt.
The complete report is available for purchase at http://www.aia.org.
Principals and partners pace architects' compensation gains
Average compensation
Position
2002
2005
Total gain
Principals/partners
$123,400
$159,800
9.0%
Managers*
$77,300
$85,800
3.5%
Architects/designers**
$52,600
$57,700
3.1%
Interns***
$35,300
$38,800
3.2%
* Includes department heads, senior mgrs., and project mgrs.
** Includes senior architects and designers I, II, III
*** Includes entry-level, second-year, and third-year interns
Source: American Institute of ArchitectsLast edited on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 02:15 pm by DoDco
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Job 1 - diddly squat (but lots of experience in 6months)
Job 2 - worked for free for another 6 months
Job 3- $48K Northern California, 1 yr
Job 4 - started at 40k now 65K, San Francisco (3 yrs)
plan to be done with the are's next yr.
no 401 benifits - how can we enclorage small firms that we will need to retire one day?
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B arch graduated 1999 and have worked with the same company, midwest region. I have finsihed IDP and started taking the ARE's
started at $15.00/hr + benefits
now(2005) at 23.76/hr + benefits --bonsus varied year to year
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I have seen a lot of the salary surveys. I think it would be informative to see how types of work & size of company affect salary.
As always it is good to know the numbers. But some things are not measurable.
Perhaps we could post a survey?
My hypothesis is that the low end would be a small design firm (lots of unbillable hours, but cool work) and a large production firm (Blockbusters, etc)(repetitive work, more efficient staff, actual bonuses)
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Suburbs of Philadelphia.
grad BARCH 2003, worked in same firm over 2 yrs having many different responsibilities. Making 32,500 plus approx 1500 yr. bonus, 401K, and full health care.
Hoping for a large raise in my next review which is soon.. but the firm doesn't seem to pay up. I think we get paid much less than other firms in area. Might be a good time to look around.
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Having now read 3 pages of salary 'woes of interns', I will add mine to the list.
Canadian: 3 years out
No ARE exams done yet.
Firm is 100+ : I have held this job for 1.5 years.
42,000K, 1000 bonus and health benefits.
Review and possible raise in December.
The postings re: actual salary numbers are great. Knowledge is power.
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I'm in Boston
mid sized firm, mostly schools, three weeks vacation, 401K, bonuses, etc.
Ok, that said here is my breakdown:
2000-2001: 32k "drafts(wo)man"
2001-2002: 37k "drafts(wo)man"
2002-2003: 45k "drafts(wo)man"
2003-2004: 52k "job captain"
2004-2005: 59k "job captain"
currently: 65k "project architect" (and the only woman (soon to be registered) architect at my firm)
I can't complain, I also own/operate two side companies where I make an additional 30k a year...I'm busy, I'm happy...I love what I do 
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barch 99
currently taking exam
68k w/ bonus last year
i pay a portion of health care
connecticut
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Job 1 - Small Custom Residential Frim in Palm Desert, CA
99 $8/hr (Intern while at Community College)
Job 2 - Small Custom Residential Firm in Los Angeles, CA
00 $12/hr (Intern while completing B.Arch)
Job 3 - Large Commercial/Education Firm in Los Angeles, CA
00 - 04 $12.5 - ending at $14 401k no benifits (Intern while completing B.Arch)
Job 4 - Small Custom Residential/Commercial Firm in Palm Desert, CA
04 $15/hr ending year at $17 $500 bonus, full medical, no dental eye or retirement w/ overtime I made about $36,000
05 (started taking my exams) $18.5 same benifits bonus ? w/ over time I am ontrack to make about $40,000 this year
In general I feel pretty good about my salary. It's not a massive amount of money, but I get by and I love what I do, so that is the trade off for me.
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'02 - Boston: 39,000 as "contractor." NOTE: that is 39K before paying all my Self Employment takes, Social Security, and Medicare.
'02 - Denver: 40,000; [90% ins; no 401K match; bonus drought (probably 'cause they hired me)].
'03: "hamster wheel" - runnin' hard, going nowhere... [90% ins; no 401K match; bonus drought].
'04: 41,600 - basically 3% inflation raise [90% ins; no 401K match; bonus!].
'04-'05: teaching 1st year graduate level design studio at state university as lecturer [contract 6,400 per semester].
'05: 46,000 - nice 12% raise [90% ins; no 401K match; JUNE bonus!, XMAS ???].
'05-'06: will be again teaching 1st year graduate level design studio at state university as lecturer [contract 6,600 per semester].
presently preparing to start exams, not sure if pay raise is the standard for licensure within my firm.
cheers
oh, PS. at times I feel like Atlas, what with carrying these student loans around... anybody get help with those?
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