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Posted: Tue Aug 8th, 2006 03:54 am |
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| Ironwarrior, architecture is my second career also. I was in healthcare. Good pay, decent hours and a lot of responsiblity but not a shred of creativity. I was 29 when I went back to college to study architecture.
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Posted: Tue Aug 8th, 2006 12:35 pm |
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*high-five*
Here's irony for you. My grandmother was an artist and grandfather was a high-rise ironworker and drafting instructor. In my youth, I built elaborate house models, played at making sites in the dirt, etc. My mom said, "You're going to be an architect!"
Well, after getting side-tracked for 30+ years, lo and behold, I'm taking the ARE. I could beat myself for not going to architectural school  Someday, I'll get a Masters in Architecture so I can get the universal NCARB "blessing."
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Posted: Tue Aug 8th, 2006 04:51 pm |
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OK so what are u doing here in this forum exactly?????. It is amazing in this country how people can find their way to this profession. withouth even getting BArch Or MArch.
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ironwarrior
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Posted: Tue Aug 8th, 2006 05:10 pm |
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That's elitist don't you think?
Just because one has a degree doesn't automatically grant knowledge in a field. We had the displeasure of working with this utter idiot who had an MBA and MArch. He couldn't design and had NO concept of business administration. He has gotten fired for incompetence from every firm (including us) that has hired him. I was ready to beat him senseless.
I've been working in the field for 13 years, and I think that MORE than qualifies me to take the ARE, which IMO, has very little bearing on reality.
As for being in this particular forum, I'm just commenting where I wish, hoping to add a bit of insight. I didn't see a sign that said, "Licensed, NCARB certified, grandiose architects with an ego ONLY!"
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Posted: Tue Aug 8th, 2006 11:47 pm |
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OK your language explains every thing.
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Posted: Wed Aug 9th, 2006 12:29 am |
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Ironwarrior, please don't beat anyone senseless. It will damage your hands and you won't be able to draw I have a Master's degree in architecture, but I think what has really been more useful (can't think of a better word) is being a bit older and having made *many* mistakes already - whether in architecture or not - I've learned from them. I work with several interns who are young enough to be my children. They are smart, sophisticated and way beyond what I was at their age.
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Posted: Wed Aug 9th, 2006 02:37 am |
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Aus, this is poignant: "...I think what has really been more useful (can't think of a better word) is being a bit older and having made *many* mistakes already - whether in architecture or not - I've learned from them."
I'm certainly not passing blanket judgment on people who have endured the rigors of college (I'm a college grad)--I was just illustrating a "worse-case scenario" of which I had the misfortune to be part. Personally, I have no idea how this nimrod even made it through school, particularly with a double Masters. I took it personally as his attempts to devalue my work with the "Well, I have these degrees....blah...blah" meant nothing to me without performance. My firm is performance, speed, and diversity first.
Conversely, I have to admit a high degree of envy and personal distaste: if I had such degrees right now, I'd easily be making in the 750K-1M range (and that's the low end). I shake my head in digust at the waste.
Computer tech and IT (my other area) as well as Architecture are areas where experience counts far more to a client than a saying "I graduated with honors." It all comes down the developer's bottom line and our abilibty to provide cohesive design within the Owner's budget.
In the end, we "old folk" can help the young with our experiences, while the young can reinvigorate us with radical ideas and renewed idealism.
Better language, transpace?  I'm not trying to start a flame war--we each have different opinions.
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Posted: Wed Aug 9th, 2006 03:49 am |
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Minnesota used to give credit for work experience in lieu of formal architectural education but stopped some years ago. We have several architects in our office who did not follow the conventional track and are licensed. They either registered before the cut off date or are registered in Wisconsin which (I believe) doesn't require a degree or IDP to take the ARE. In Australia, you have to get work experience as you progress in your architectural studies or you will not go forward to a degree.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10th, 2006 12:43 am |
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Santa Rosa, CA
BS Architecture, University of Minnesota
M. Arch, University of Oregon
Taken 8 tests, 1 to go plus CA Oral
Job 1-Intern $22.50/hr for 6 months
Job 2-Intern $22.50/hr after LEED AP $23/hr for 1.5 yrs
Job3- Job Captain $26/hr Current with performance and other $ bonuses
Free Benefits-Medical, SARSEP IRA, Life/Disability Isurance, Holidays, vacation, ARE "rebate" for passing tests.
Other Benefits- Dental, Costco membership
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Posted: Sun Sep 17th, 2006 05:41 am |
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ooh. costco membership is very cool
i gained 1.5 yrs experience in school and during summers with little pay. not even worth mentioning. essentially i've had 3 jobs in 2 years
bs. arch 2002
m.arch 2004
positions in arch firms:
job 1: 2004 - 39K + benefits
2005 - 39K + benefits (the bastards)
job 1a: 2005 - $25/hr* (taught a part-time course in CAD during job 3)
job 2: 2005 - $25/hr contract (terrible benefits)
2006 - $25/hr
job 3: 2006 - 53K + Benefits
Finished 7 exams. 2 to go.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25th, 2006 02:58 am |
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Time to post an update to my history.
M.Arch., LEED
Firm 1 (OK local firm)
* 2001 - $10/hr, no benefits or anything (summer student)
* 2002 - $12/hr, no benefits or anything (summer student)
Firm 2 (Great local firm)
* 2003 - $15/hour, no benefits or anything, contract (summer student)
* 2004 - $36k base + $500 bonus + 100% insurance (intern); got a $400/month raise here after 5 months
* 2005 - $40k base + 100% insurance (intern)
Firm 3 (Large firm)
* 2005 - $44k base + medical, some dental, 401k up to $1,500, no bonuses, but paid statutory holidays, 5 days sick leave/year, paid exams
* 2006 - almost $50k base upon registration, medical, some dental, 401k up to $1,500, paid statutory holidays, 5 days sick leave/year
* 2007 - 54k as project architect, medical, some dental, 401k up to $1,500, paid statutory holidays, 5 days sick leave/year
Firm 4 (Medium-large firm)
* 2007 - 65k as project architectLast edited on Sat Feb 24th, 2007 05:01 pm by Aglaia
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Posted: Tue Sep 26th, 2006 01:34 pm |
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B.A. Architecture '98
urban area
5 years at medium design firm topped out at ~40K + 1.5 overtime, good benefits
1 year at tiny design firm ~45K + small benefits allowance
design PM at state institution - 40hr work week, ~62K + incredible benefits
taking exams now
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Posted: Fri Oct 13th, 2006 08:14 pm |
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OK I am WORKING FROM HOME so my boss has almost no overheads on me.
I make $35 per hour but I pay taxes and all my own expenses out of that.
I only work about 10-15 hours a week due to family situation.
He bills me out at $70 per hour.
He also nickels and dimes every invoice I give, which is insulting because I have never padded time in my life.
I have 8 tests passed, one to retake.
I DO NOT expect to be working with him once I am licensed.
I intend to partner with a young-ish well-established contractor and start a design-build business.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15th, 2006 07:10 pm |
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BArch 2002
still unlicensed
Arizona
Job 1: 2002-2003. Construction Management firm, because there were so few architecture jobs. $35,000- $37,000, 50% 401K match, 70% health insurance, dental and vision. 2 weeks vacation + 1 week sick leave paid annually. Automatic annual cost of living adjustments. Only 40 hours of work and no experience in construction.
Job 2: 2004. Small Architecture office. $32,000, 70% health insurance. average of 60 hours/week and no OT pay. 5 days total paid sick and vacation. Plus working with the devil incarnate. (hmmm...why did I make this switch?)
Southern California
Job 3: 2005-06. Large office, international firm. Started $41,000 plus 1.5 OT pay. 50% 401K match up to $7000 annually. 100% health insurance, dental and vision, flex health spending, up to 17 days annual paid vacation (in theory, because who takes vacation?)
Was offered $46,000 as a 'raise' when I was no longer eligible for OT. I refused since I'd made $51,000 the year before with OT. They agreed to $50,000 salary. Then of course the company treated that as a raise and I had to fight for an 8% raise 6 months later. I pointed out that I was still bringing home the same amount as I had been since I began with the company. They gave it to me when they realized I wouldn't back down and I could easily move to another firm. You definitely have to fight for what you want.
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A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT IS NOT A RAISE! But in an architecture firm they try to convince you otherwise....yuck. Fight for your worth!
By the way, how many movie/television characers can you name that are architects with healthy cash flows? (in the last couple of years: Naomi Watts' husband in 21 Grams, Luke Wilson in My Super Ex Girlfriend, Adam Sandler in Click, upcoming Zach Braff in The Last Kiss...)
How about on Sex and the City when Carrie's jetsetting Parisian Architect one-night-stand left her $1000 on the bedside table?
And that "rich bitch" Laura on Project Runway isn't helping any with her 6 kids and giant Soho loft. And they showed her architect husband...white hair and round spectacles and all! Oh, the stereotypes....
fees have to go up. I just don't know how we will organize ourselves as a profession to do so.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18th, 2006 08:41 pm |
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Denver, CO
1996-1998 - Worked at small civil engineering firm ($10-$12/hr)
1998-2005 - Worked at mid-size arch firm (started at about $12/hr, worked up to about $21.50/hr or $45,000/yr + overtime for anything beyond 40hrs/week + 2 weeks paid vacation & full health insurance, 401K) - while working here obtained bachelors and then Masters of Arch in 2001
2005-present - Work at large arch firm, recently licensed and LEED accredited (started at about $46,500/yr, now at $52,000/yr (got second raise after becoming licensed) + 2 weeks paid vacation & full health insurance, 401K - no overtime since salaried)
Hope this is helpful. Good luck all.
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pinoy rktx
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Posted: Wed Oct 18th, 2006 09:52 pm |
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working in Ohio...
....just got licensed last April....$ 62 K plus incredible benefits and profit sharing.....
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Posted: Thu Oct 19th, 2006 01:05 am |
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rktx,
What size of firm are you at and what type of work do you do? I'm also curious to know if you're in a big city or small, etc. I assume you've had quite a lot of experience before getting your license. Sounds like they're pretty good to you (at least as far as pay goes) so that's great!
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Posted: Tue Oct 24th, 2006 09:43 pm |
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Buster wrote: rktx,
What size of firm are you at and what type of work do you do? I'm also curious to know if you're in a big city or small, etc. I assume you've had quite a lot of experience before getting your license. Sounds like they're pretty good to you (at least as far as pay goes) so that's great!
staff of 23 which includes 6 principals and 1 associate....the hierarchy is the 6 principals on top, then 1 associate, then myself as project manager, then 3 project architects, and then a bunch of intern architects....
medium sized city of cleveland (home of lebron james)...basically doing a lot of healthcare facilities....
earning 52K before getting registered and then got an incredible bump of 10K ....ooops, i forgot to mention that i did talk to them about moving to another company because of a bigger offer.... .....i guess that's part of the trick......
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Posted: Wed Nov 1st, 2006 04:19 am |
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All jobs in North Dallas:
No College
1993 Hired out of high school by small firm for Min. wage...~$5.50/ hr.
2000 at the time I left I was up to project manager making ~$32K Typical benefits
2000 Went to Med. Sized firm, project manager ~$45K Typical Benefits
2005 Back to different small firm, project amanger/ associate ~$54K Low Benefits
2006 Recruited by developer~$75K No real benefits, but plenty of fringe benfits.
Completed IDP based on experince only. Have taken 4 tests so far.
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Small firm in Ohio- Graduated in 95 with a Masters in Architecture- Currently $65,000- do not have health insurance through employer, no 401K, no bonuses
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Posted: Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 05:39 pm |
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| Oops- forgot also recently licensed
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Posted: Mon Nov 6th, 2006 03:43 am |
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Finished school in 2003
Job 1: 30,000 + benefits, no 401K; raised to 36,000 in 2004
Job 2: 37,500 + benefits, optional 401K, ESOP; raised to 45,000 in 2005
Just got licensed, will be looking for raise soon. What seems appropriate?
Fort Worth, TX
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Posted: Fri Nov 10th, 2006 08:34 pm |
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March Winter 2001
started at 28,800
now at 37,440 (includes health & SEP plan)
two tests down 7 to go once I am licensed promised salary increase of min 10% more like 15% (I HOPE!)
Small, small firm (my boss and I), large midwest city, not Chicago
Thinking that there are better options out there. I almost never work overtime, and only get 10 days paid vacation ....
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M.Arch- taken 3 exams, LEED AP
Wash. D.C.
started 2001- $38,000, 10 days vacation, 5 sick, 3 berevement, 401k w/ little profit sharing and % matching, health, dental, eye, bonus, straight overtime pay, ARE exams and 40hrs exam time. Small to Medium size- 20 people
now at $54,000
expect to get raise once registered.
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| Has anyone gotten licensed fairly early in their careers? What kind of bump did that translate into with only 2-5 years of experience?
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doubled my salary...but i was making crap before
most of my friends got a 10-20 percent raise
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$40,000 + some benefits, 15 days PTO/sick
Seattle/San Francisco - 2 principals + 7 employees
BArch 2002
4.5 yrs experience
just started exams
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people will pay if you ask and you feel you are worth it. before my degree, in CA, after about 2 years of experience, i never worked for less than $25/hr over an eight year period.
currently i bill, freelance, no less than $50/hr -- well, sometimes $35/hr if i like the designer. i would like to start billing upwards of $75/hr.
none of you with an accredited degree should be earning less than $25/hr. a willingness to undervalue your skills greatly hurts the rest of us + further perpetuates this bull*** accreditation process.
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| This whole undervaluing ourselves is a real mystery to me. And sadly, I even see myself doing it. I was terrified to ask for $30/hr to do freelance drafting. But I got what I asked for, no haggling necessary.
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lon wrote: people will pay if you ask and you feel you are worth it. before my degree, in CA, after about 2 years of experience, i never worked for less than $25/hr over an eight year period.
currently i bill, freelance, no less than $50/hr -- well, sometimes $35/hr if i like the designer. i would like to start billing upwards of $75/hr.
none of you with an accredited degree should be earning less than $25/hr. a willingness to undervalue your skills greatly hurts the rest of us + further perpetuates this bull*** accreditation process.
You must be very talented, Lon.
For everyone else, keep in mind that $25/hr freelance is similar to 40-45k salary when we add PTO and health benefits to the total, not to mention the security of having guaranteed work.
As for me, 42k in Minneapolis w/ 3 weeks PTO and health benefits. B. Arch 2004. I'm happy with that - it used to be a lot worse... at least I can pay the rent now.
From what I know, 9 out of 10 firm managers would laugh hysterically at anyone demanding anywhere near $50/hr on a salary basis. That's 104k/year... which is probably more than the person being asked for the raise makes.
It's not that I don't believe you, Lon. This is just the reality that I know.
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