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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 03:49 pm |
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Hey everyone!
I'm on the hunt for a new job and looking for ideas on cool resumes. Some of you may think an Architects resume should look like a lawyers. Black text on a nice creamy bond vellum paper....not my style. But feel free to pitch in your two cents.
What I'm really looking for are ways to use graphic design, a design image and modern but sophisticated fonts to create an image that goes beyond the words on the paper.
I'm in the middle of mine and I'll post it when I'm done but your ideas and more importantly...pdfs of your resume would be most welcome.
Thanks!
(My wife and I aren't above moving out of state, In C olorado now, but we have family in Utah, Texas, Tennessee, and California)
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 04:17 pm |
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So, the traditional, easy to read, simple approach that everyone knows is not your style, but you want others to tell you what your style should be?
OK. Good luck with that.
I've seen too many resumes over the years and I can safely say that the cutesy ones found the thrash can without being read.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 04:59 pm |
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I disagree with DN to some degree. Although I think that there is absolutely nothing wrong with using traditional resume formats...odds are that there will be a lot of resumes that are orderly, well written, and include the same, if not better, work historys than your own. So,as architects, using your resume as an opportunity to demostrate your creative capabilities is excellent way to make oneself stand out from the pack.
It shouldn't be over the top though. Keep it simple. On my latest resume, for example, I laid it out landscape with two columns. This simple gesture earned me a lot of compliments. Not an interview went by without some mention of it. That aside, the format was clean, simple, and pretty standard. I also touched it up with a faint watermark of a pen & ink rendering that I had from my portfolio.
DN's comments regarding you finding your own creative way to construct the resume, however, is an important one. Using someone else's ideas is like showing up at the interview with some else's portfolio.
Good Luck with the job search.
...and if you want to move to Boston...there's not a firm that isn't hiring.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 05:39 pm |
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Thank you for your feed back. The landscape idea is something simple that I hadn't thought of before, and would love to see how you executed it.
DM: I agree that the idea of design is to make things easier to read without being cutesy.
The idea of asking others for their ideas is the same as cracking open a magazine or book to find ideas for a building facade.
I've done this for years and I'd say I have about a 75% interview rate per resume sent out. Those 25% that trash my resume are firms I wouldn't want to work for anyways.
The interview process goes two ways....
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 07:23 pm |
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I have always done a cover letter, a clean resume followed by 3-5 work samples sheets combined in a single PDF file. I write 2 sentences in the email referring to the content of the attachment and usually end up with a 5mb message.
Your letter and resume should be professional, to the point & easy to read. I don't personally like to "jazz-up" my resume with graphics because I see it as a distraction no matter how blend in they look on the page. Besides, when you combined your resume and work sample on a single PDF you ARE putting graphics in your CV.
Chances are the reviewer will be pleasantly surprised when they see actual project pages as they scroll down the pages.
Anyway it worked quite well for me for years.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 08:49 pm |
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if you want creative - use your name and address at the top to be creative, almost like a letterheard, but the intro letter and resume itself need to be simple and very easy to read.
now a portfolio, that is where you need to show off and get creative. currently my portfolio is in powerpoint so i can both print it, or e-mail it electronically as a powerpoint show or a pdf file.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 11:02 pm |
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golfernut78 wrote: if you want creative - use your name and address at the top to be creative, almost like a letterheard, but the intro letter and resume itself need to be simple and very easy to read.
now a portfolio, that is where you need to show off and get creative. currently my portfolio is in powerpoint so i can both print it, or e-mail it electronically as a powerpoint show or a pdf file.
Yeah...but you need to get an interview in order to show off your portfolio.
Here's my resume...names have been changed so that no one will know that I am Whitey Bulger.,,oops!
It prints really great on a nice cream-colored heavy bond.
Attachment: ResumeSample.pdf (Downloaded 931 times) Last edited on Mon Feb 25th, 2008 11:19 pm by wograr
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 11:41 pm |
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Can't say that I've ever seen a resume in landscape format.
The background makes it hard ot read.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 01:05 am |
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It is a little tough on screen....it is much more clear when printed. But as I mentioned above, It was particular point of interest at all my interviews. Something as simple as landscape vs. portrait can make your resume really stand out without being over the top.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 01:20 am |
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LIK wrote: I have always done a cover letter, a clean resume followed by 3-5 work samples sheets combined in a single PDF file. I write 2 sentences in the email referring to the content of the attachment and usually end up with a 5mb message.
Your letter and resume should be professional, to the point & easy to read. I don't personally like to "jazz-up" my resume with graphics because I see it as a distraction no matter how blend in they look on the page. Besides, when you combined your resume and work sample on a single PDF you ARE putting graphics in your CV.
Chances are the reviewer will be pleasantly surprised when they see actual project pages as they scroll down the pages.
Anyway it worked quite well for me for years.
This (including imagery) is something I've done in the past and have recently done away with in the latest "search". I don't yet know enough about the impacts to suggest it or not to anyone else, but I'll throw this out for the sake of discussion.
My opinion on this is that I, as am employer (hypothetically), would not waste my time downloading a 5mb email when I've got who knows how many other resumes to look at; therefore I, as a candidate, would not want my resume trashed due to file size.
I've gotten interviews from resumes with and without images attached to my resume, so I'm not yet advocating one over the other. I will say, however, that now that I have removed images from my resume, I do include a list of projects I've worked on, including basic stats, in my work history.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 02:13 am |
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swedishduck wrote: My opinion on this is that I, as am employer (hypothetically), would not waste my time downloading a 5mb email when I've got who knows how many other resumes to look at; therefore I, as a candidate, would not want my resume trashed due to file size.
I've gotten interviews from resumes with and without images attached to my resume, so I'm not yet advocating one over the other. I will say, however, that now that I have removed images from my resume, I do include a list of projects I've worked on, including basic stats, in my work history.
How can any office consider 5mb files large now a days?
email attachments are there when you open your email, the downloading part is already done when the message arrives....
usually resumes are send to the receptionist or HR guys, they forward them on to the PM/PA/principals to review if they see someone maybe qualified for the job.
If an office has a block on emails under 5mb, i don't think I want to work there anyway.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 02:52 am |
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wograr wrote: golfernut78 wrote: if you want creative - use your name and address at the top to be creative, almost like a letterheard, but the intro letter and resume itself need to be simple and very easy to read.
now a portfolio, that is where you need to show off and get creative. currently my portfolio is in powerpoint so i can both print it, or e-mail it electronically as a powerpoint show or a pdf file.
Yeah...but you need to get an interview in order to show off your portfolio.
Here's my resume...names have been changed so that no one will know that I am Whitey Bulger.,,oops!
It prints really great on a nice cream-colored heavy bond.
Ouch, my eyes.
I used to have a color graphic of one of my sketches in college on the side of my resume.
I've since removed it from my resume - opting for the bland version you are trying to avoid.
The bland version is getting me an interview with a reputable international firm this week.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 05:01 am |
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wograr wrote: Yeah...but you need to get an interview in order to show off your portfolio.
Here's my resume...names have been changed so that no one will know that I am Whitey Bulger.,,oops!
It prints really great on a nice cream-colored heavy bond.
I can see if you were applying for a job that mainly does residential work some may like it. But if you were going for commercial & institutional work I think it is rather inappropriate. still, its just not easy to read...
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 02:27 pm |
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Aesthetically, I like landscape.
Functionally, I think it sucks.
You wind up wasting your time reformatting standard items or the reader's playing spin the document.
The geewiz of watermarks wore off a long time ago...and in this case it just highlights the abscense of a license.
Not to mention that you can't actually be a member of the AIA without one.
Reinforce that with the primary acheivement being completion of IDP a decade ago and an empahsis on CAD skills and it flies right into a pigeon hole.
I'm not suggesting that Bob Dobalina isn't a great guy, but who cares about Dreamweaver skills for an architecture practice?
The hand rendered house suggests a "lightweight" - efficiently and effectively removing any possibe positive impression created by the experience in the listing for current employment...as well as calling all those computer skills into question.
This doesn't recommend the candidate as someone with 16 years of useful experience in the field.
Less is more.
No amount of creative expression will make up for the lack important of credentials.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 02:49 pm |
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brudgers wrote:
No amount of creative expression will make up for the lack important of credentials.
What would you suggest to those who lack those important credentials because they are one/two years out of schoo?. What is a good selling point for those who lack experience? How do you set yourself apart? One year ago (after graduation) I was applying for jobs and had little success and want to know where I went wrong.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 02:53 pm |
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the last couple times I have been job hunting I went to the local book store and found a couple graphics or marketing magazines or books and flipped through them. I usually find characteristics I like in several and blend or compose them to something more me. I do not just copy the layout verbatim. When you look for a job you are marketing yourself and I think its important to express some sort of creativity being that I am applying for a creative job.
I don't like plain black and white resumes unless there is an obvious goal to do so. I think little splashes of color and teaser thumbnails are important. On the flip side if something with flowers and scented paper comes across my desk its going to get trashed unless I need a receptionist. Its the profession of architecture not a decorating contest.
The other thing I think is moderately important is to use standard sizes, and that helps you as much as it helps the employer. Its far easier to find packaging and print abilities. As an employer, if I have to jack around with the printer to print an odd sized paper when you email me your resume, I'm going to be annoyed.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 03:24 pm |
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What is the best method for going and getting contact information at a firm that you are intrested in. Some people "cold call" others will research an individual in the firm and seek them out. Which is the most appropriate, which is most effective (I'm sure there are two different answers.)
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 04:00 pm |
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Architorture2007 wrote: What would you suggest to those who lack those important credentials because they are one/two years out of schoo?. What is a good selling point for those who lack experience? How do you set yourself apart? One year ago (after graduation) I was applying for jobs and had little success and want to know where I went wrong.
Show that you know how to communicate clearly and in a business like manner. That's a skill needed in client communications and in those with the contractor.
All a resume is supposed to do is get you an interview...that's it.
A person right out of school will get much more leeway than someone who has been out for 16 years and finished IDP 9 years ago but still doesn't have a license.
The key to a first job is to get experience and to learn.
Sometimes nothing is wrong when you don't get a job. Sometimes the economy is just down. Last year this was the case in much of the country...at least from what I saw.
The important credential for someone just out of school is the degree...and it should be a professional one...otherwise you're mostly a CAD jock with no experience rather than a registered architect in the making.
What did you do when you couldn't get a job right away?
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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Architorture2007 wrote: What is the best method for going and getting contact information at a firm that you are intrested in. Some people "cold call" others will research an individual in the firm and seek them out. Which is the most appropriate, which is most effective (I'm sure there are two different answers.)
At the entry level, I had great success just using the phone book.
The key is to put your information in front of a person with a need at the time they had that need.
Stamps fo 100 resumes will cost you $42. That's nothing if it gets you a job...and a small fraction of potential employers in even a medium size market.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 04:14 pm |
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I started my search last February. I started out by researching firms (there are a million in Boston.) I would get in contact with HR and get the name of the director, and send them my Application Package (resume, cover letter, teaser.)
After sending out 30 Resumes and cover letters and only getting 1 interview that didn't pan out, I started "cold calling" and sent another 20 or so more "packages" After getting few response I just started going crazy sending out to everyone.
I had 3 interviews, one I didn't get, one I didn't want (way too little money with not a great experience opportunity.) The last I got an offer for good money at very small place outside the city.
I accepted the Job in May after 3 months of searching. I needed a job after graduation because I needed to carry rent. I have a BARC with two Co-ops, so I wasn't any worse off than my classmates.
I am very motivated and jumped on the chance to take my ARE concurrent with IDP. After I started to study for the ARE I found my current job is not focused on the type of experience that I would ideally like. So now I am poking around to see what is out there.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 05:18 pm |
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wograr wrote: golfernut78 wrote: if you want creative - use your name and address at the top to be creative, almost like a letterheard, but the intro letter and resume itself need to be simple and very easy to read.
now a portfolio, that is where you need to show off and get creative. currently my portfolio is in powerpoint so i can both print it, or e-mail it electronically as a powerpoint show or a pdf file.
Yeah...but you need to get an interview in order to show off your portfolio.
Here's my resume...names have been changed so that no one will know that I am Whitey Bulger.,,oops!
It prints really great on a nice cream-colored heavy bond.
true, but i've had some over the phone interviews were this worked out really well.
i think the house in the background is a bit much. i agree it probably looks great as an original print, but if you fax it or someone makes a photocopy it could be a train wreck.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 06:04 pm |
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Architects are not graphic designers. There is a reason for that being a separate profession. The following might cause your resume to be trashed: images, landscape format, multiple fonts, ugly fonts. Nothing beats a clean and clearly communicated resume. A separate page with work samples would convey your design sensibility. Ideally, the resume, cover letter, and the portfolio should appear to be part of the same package. Also, if you're saying that you have a 75% interview rate, you should be the one giving us advice 
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 11:35 pm |
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john_t wrote: Architects are not graphic designers. There is a reason for that being a separate profession. The following might cause your resume to be trashed: images, landscape format, multiple fonts, ugly fonts. Nothing beats a clean and clearly communicated resume. A separate page with work samples would convey your design sensibility. Ideally, the resume, cover letter, and the portfolio should appear to be part of the same package. Also, if you're saying that you have a 75% interview rate, you should be the one giving us advice
I'm not saying we are supposed to be graphic designers but we should be graphically inclined. We should know what looks good and what doesn't. What good is an architect that can not graphically communicate ideas?
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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 12:23 am |
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Your resume to a potential employer is no different than a portfolio to a graduate school admission review. It needs to stand out from the crowd - either with experience or talent/ability.
In my opinion, if your resume looks like it was torn out of a '1001 Great Resumes Book' and you like that sort of thing - fine. I think it should represent you and the position you want. Depending on what you are applying for, your resume can and should be flexible to lean either to the designer side or production side. Have 2 resumes if it's easier. Sure, you always want to note the significant built projects you have under your belt (if any), your experience in the office and your knowledge of project delivery, but the skills of photoshop, photography, dreamweaver, indesign, illustrator, sketchup (and the myriad of 3D software programs) as well as hand drafting, color rendering (and the various mediums that go with that) are all just as important. It displays your diversity and what you bring to the team, beit a design or production team. A little flavor on your resume is a portal into your personality. Otherwise it's like a needle in a stack of needles.
I think the landscape format is great. I didn't go that route, but I really like it. I got my current position 5 years ago. I didn't know anything about the firm when I first found them. I researched them, sent my resume - designed to stand out - and got the job when they weren't even hiring or thinking about hiring. I was out of state and they paid for my move and gave me the salary I was negotiating for.
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ARCHcowboy wrote: john_t wrote: Architects are not graphic designers. There is a reason for that being a separate profession. The following might cause your resume to be trashed: images, landscape format, multiple fonts, ugly fonts. Nothing beats a clean and clearly communicated resume. A separate page with work samples would convey your design sensibility. Ideally, the resume, cover letter, and the portfolio should appear to be part of the same package. Also, if you're saying that you have a 75% interview rate, you should be the one giving us advice
I'm not saying we are supposed to be graphic designers but we should be graphically inclined. We should know what looks good and what doesn't. What good is an architect that can not graphically communicate ideas? Ahhh, but are you up to the challenge of showing that creativity within the constraints of black font on white paper? It's just another problem with its own rules.
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"Not to mention that you can't actually be a member of the AIA without one."
I was an member of the AIA for several years before getting licensed.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 10:09 pm |
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walker wrote: "Not to mention that you can't actually be a member of the AIA without one."
I was an member of the AIA for several years before getting licensed.
Joe Blow, AIA - licensed architect
Joe Blow, Assoc. AIA - not licensed, like an intern
and various assorted other types of membership...
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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 10:15 pm |
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I saw a guy standing on the corner at a busy intersection wearing a nice dark suite and tie, holding a cardboard sign that had the following print:
Architect
Just Laid Off
Need a Job!!
References available upon request.
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