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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 09:55 pm |
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awapniak wrote: niro wrote: brudgers wrote: It's the ability to write clearly (and to spell) that's rare.
get off your horsey, thats the norm across America.
Yeah brudgers, join the rest of us intellectual troglodytes. If nobody else bothered honing their skills and abilities, it'd make things easier for the masses.
I'm hardly a cloud person...heck I'll do just about anything for $10.50
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 10:23 pm |
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niro wrote: brudgers wrote: It's the ability to write clearly (and to spell) that's rare.
get off your horsey, thats the norm across America.
And how does that make his comment any less relevant?
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 10:31 pm |
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| I forgot to mention logic.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 01:49 am |
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i read this thread before looking at the resume - and i was very skeptical of the idea of landscape resume. however, after taking a peek - i actually kind of lke the landscape since it is divided into two appropriate columns with work experience nicely fitting all in one column.
i am definitely a no frills, simple one page portrait resume person myself - so i do think the background image is a tad distracting, but if you are appying to firms that need that kind of rendering...well...maybe it would be okay. I don't know - seems like there is too much crazystuff - landscape AND image !?!? whoah.
but my opinion on all these things is - this is definitely a "love it or leave it" resume: if you love it, and the employer hates it - you probably wouldn't be happy there anyway. If they love it - well then you should do well there, right?
good luck to everyone working on their resume.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 05:15 pm |
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my questions is one page or two pages?
if one has two pages worth of experience, is it okay to have two pages?
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 07:30 pm |
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pratibha wrote: my questions is one page or two pages?
if one has two pages worth of experience, is it okay to have two pages? Of course. The one-page resume is a myth. Two pages are not only OK, but essential for someone with any meaningful experience and other credentials. The key is the proper use of those pages. There are two ways to determine how best to write a resume: 1) Put yourself in the shoes of the hirer. Be objective. I've hired in the past and I can tell you that if I received a one-pager I knew that the odds were extremely high that the applicant had inadequate experience since I was not looking to fill an entry level position. 2) There are professionals on the web with good information. Start with the big job sites & wsj.com. For a different perspective, I highly recommend askttheheadhunter.com.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 08:20 pm |
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| If you have two pages of experience you are probably listing jobs a little to far back or you don't stay a firm for very long. If you can make it clearly fit on one sheet you are better off. If you think about how many hands the resume is going to go through there is a farely good chance that one of the sheets could get lost. I have a very simple cover sheet and resume that got me interviews at 75% of the places I sent them to. It is time intensive but I always have the cover sheet directed at an individual at the company (it shows effort and is more likely to get through who ever is sorting the mail). As was preivously mentioned make sure there are no spelling errors on either page. I always mail them and call to follow up and make sure they got them. I use color but don't use any graphics. None of the places I interviewed at were advertising or looking for employees and yet they all offered me a job.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 08:38 pm |
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CA Girl wrote: If you have two pages of experience you are probably listing jobs a little to far back or you don't stay a firm for very long. If you can make it clearly fit on one sheet you are better off. There's more to a resume than experience: Name & contact info Education Community service (do not ignore this!) Awards & recognition Experience & capabilites Associations & licensing Objective or summary statement I cannot emphasize enough that anyone with 10 years of experience who cannot use two pages with substantive information is not employable by me.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 11:15 pm |
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Coach,
I wasn't implying that the only thing important was experience. All of those items appear within my resume and cover letter. Anything you consider important had better appear on page one because in my office any additional sheets rarely get looked through (if page one is good enough then page two gets looked at).
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 11:29 pm |
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Fine. Then also consider the personality of the firm.
Since I don't deal with monster corporations, I don't think that way.
Then again, I'd reject someone applying for a senior position with one page regardless.
Executive resumes commonly exceed 2 pages.
Resumes should be stand alone docs. Cover letter is not a substitute for vital info.
And don't forget a very important part of every resume --- white space.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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You have to give them enough information to want to talk to you. I've never included graphics on my resume. It always looked messy when I did it, but I've seen some really beautifully crafted resumes that have incorporated project images. I have 16 years of experience, and have been using a two page resume for a long time. I've tried to narrow it down to one page, but it just doesn't work for me because I have been involved in AIA, USGBC, and other organizations along the way. That's valuable to employers and shows that you are involved in the profession. I've had a number of short-term jobs because I graduated in the early 90's (in Canada) and jobs were scarce back then. Even with a short paragraph per job, it can fill up space quickly.
My brother-in-law is an HR manager, and I always get him to review my resume before I send it out. He says 2 pages are fine if you have a lot of experience - one page if you don't. He throws out resumes that stretch a small amount of experience into 2 pages unnecessarily. I also have a "master project list" which I've kept for years - very useful, especially when starting with a new firm and developing your resume for the firm's marketing materials. It helped us win a job recently, because I had years of experience in hospitality while my new firm has very little. I've never included the list with my cover letter and resume, but usually I bring it to the interview. It also helps me to remember what I've worked on, because not everything made it into my portfolio or was photographed over the years.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 03:45 am |
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thanks Coach, CA Girl and roxb
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 06:31 pm |
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Personally, I really dig it when the resume has a dark graphic image that bleeds to the edge of the page. The white text stands out against the dark background. Just like most advertisements that you might find inside architectural record.
However, those old stodgy architects seem to get annoyed with this and ask why I don't have a first column "Employment... From... To... Date..." format. So I opted for the most standard resume format. It's what they expect. (*sigh*)
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 06:42 pm |
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| If you're ever in a position to hire somebody, you'll understand.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 08:23 pm |
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john_t wrote: Architects are not graphic designers. There is a reason for that being a separate profession. The following might cause your resume to be trashed: images, landscape format, multiple fonts, ugly fonts. Nothing beats a clean and clearly communicated resume. A separate page with work samples would convey your design sensibility. Ideally, the resume, cover letter, and the portfolio should appear to be part of the same package. Also, if you're saying that you have a 75% interview rate, you should be the one giving us advice 
Point taken, and I totally agree with keeping the resume very simple and functional.
But, with the state of architectural design these days shouldn't architects be graphic designers? Paper thin walls with windows cut out with scissors. Smooth, continuous 'skins' rather than walls with depth. Massive, inhumanly scaled 'window-walls' decorated with random graphic patterns. This stuff is very much about graphic design (for better or for worse). Fancy colorful macro-scale patterns stretched indiscriminately over an entire facade like a gift wrap. Apparently there are significant number of architects who want to be graphic designers rather than architects.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 08:58 pm |
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And there are plenty who suck at both.
Regardless, there's a time and place to literally showcase your talent... or lack thereof.
White paper, black ink, "normal" font, 8.5x11, portrait orientation, no images/art.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 09:15 pm |
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A cool business card might actually do you more good than a cool resume if you are running your own business.
A cool web site even better...
Last edited on Wed Sep 10th, 2008 09:19 pm by King
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 09:20 pm |
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| Or cool hair... just ask IW
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 12:56 am |
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Coach wrote: Fine. Then also consider the personality of the firm.
Since I don't deal with monster corporations, I don't think that way.
Then again, I'd reject someone applying for a senior position with one page regardless.
Executive resumes commonly exceed 2 pages.
Resumes should be stand alone docs. Cover letter is not a substitute for vital info.
And don't forget a very important part of every resume --- white space.
what is the "white space" are you talking about?
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 01:53 am |
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Far Galaxy wrote: what is the "white space" are you talking about? That same negative space we learned about in design studio... balance, relief. Don't want to cram stuff together. Use good borders, line spacing, blocking, etc. In other words, the composition of the page. It may be simple black fonts on a white page, but that shouldn't stop us from using some design sense, however subtle it may be.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 02:38 am |
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IMHO: KISS (the ole military saying- Keep It Simple Stupid) No offense intended. Simply giving the military response.
Wish you well on your endeavors.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 08:32 pm |
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Below is a link to a podcast titled "Your Resume Stinks" that I found very helpful in my recent resume rebuild. Beyond this cast, Manager Tools is a great weekly podcast full of valuable information on how to effectively lead people.
http://www.manager-tools.com/2005/10/your-resume-stinks/
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 01:13 am |
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| Use your resume not only to highlight your qualifications, but use it to show your skills in presentation. I formatted mine in photoshop. I used clean lines and a boxy font. I placed any images on a portfolio page so i did not distract the reviewer from what I was trying to say about myself. Get to the point - no one thoroughly reads the resume, they scan it for key words that they are looking for. Also it is usually HR who weeds out the good from the bad resumes so be sure that yours stands out from the rest so it makes it into the bosses hands. (this does not mean you should use neon Comic Sans font) Most importantly, let it be a reflection of you. your resume is a representation of your communication and presentation which can be challenging when it must be submitted on paper. Good Luck. Last edited on Fri Sep 19th, 2008 01:15 am by cantina23
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Posted: Sat Sep 27th, 2008 01:34 am |
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what would an appropriate font size and type be? putting my resume together right now, there is not enough for 2 pages but goes over 1 page. trying to rein it in on 1 page with garamond and size 10. googling for font size and types for resumes, yields answers from 10 to 12.
what do you suggest?
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Posted: Sat Sep 27th, 2008 01:40 am |
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| I like to use Arial 10 or 12 ...this is what we use at our firm for important letters/documents.
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 02:13 am |
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cantina23 wrote: I like to use Arial 10 or 12 ...this is what we use at our firm for important letters/documents.
thank you cantina23.
what is your opinion about garamond? it (along with size 10 font) helps me contain my resume.
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