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Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 11:05 pm |
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I was told as well by a former employer that the license really doesn't help him only me when I go to another firm. It's his liability. He said that there's some unlicensed people who new more than people with their licenses. His thinking was, why should he pay me more for what I was already doing, since it's his firm giving me the experience. On that note it made some sense. I am learning on his dime. It's just that most professions outside of architecture do pay more when a person gets some type of legal accreditation.
I recently worked for a civil engineer for 2.5 years and when I started interviewing in architecture to go back into it, I was told by the interviewer that I made more than the licensed architects in their office. That was at 3 different firms. I don't even have my architectural license. At the engineering firm I did about less work than in the architectural office (coordination, put drawings together, client meetings, utility company meetings, meeting minutes, CA meetings, change orders, addendums, color boards, submittal review, answer RFI's, compile punchlists, plan review/submittal, review applications for payment, etc.) I did less work and got paid way more. Isn't it odd that a 5 year BArch degree in the 'real' world starts off and typically makes less than a 4 year engineering degree? I was considered a civil designer and learned from the ground up how to do civil drawings. Off the bat I already made way more than when I was in architecture. I was told by others in civil engineering that what they get paid is typical. Senior civil designers get paid $35-50/hr. These guys don't even have a degree. What in the architecture profession (besides the contractors with drafters and developers) have caused this to happen?
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Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 11:56 pm |
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I have recently a small talk with a friend who is not architect or even close to the construction industry..She said I heard that architects do not make *** ( as far as salary) is this true?...I could not disagree...and I thought for a second...Well People outside our profession knows such embarrassing fact . I think its our own homework to do I wish if AIA was more proactive in some way.
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Posted: Wed Oct 22nd, 2008 01:12 am |
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NewtoVirginia wrote: Archangel_BP19
I have recently a small talk with a friend who is not architect or even close to the construction industry..She said I heard that architects do not make *** ( as far as salary) is this true?...I could not disagree...and I thought for a second...Well People outside our profession knows such embarrassing fact . I think its our own homework to do I wish if AIA was more proactive in some way.
Unfortunately she's one of a few outside our profession that knows the truth - the rest think we're well paid.
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Posted: Wed Oct 22nd, 2008 09:56 pm |
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Posted: Wed Oct 22nd, 2008 10:37 pm |
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PGH-STEELERS wrote: zero%
hey, i'm not alone!  it sux, but given the economy, it's good to be employed.
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Posted: Wed Oct 22nd, 2008 10:44 pm |
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| I think it is absurd and owners of these firms are greedy.
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Posted: Sun Nov 9th, 2008 09:58 pm |
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A friend of mine recently got licensed and actually got a negative return on his investment.
Oh they gave him a 6% "raise", but made him salaried, and took away his OT. Where he was before, and with his typical OT, he said it came out as a paycut. He spoke to his managers and they gave him the whole "yeah it's typical when you get licensed to take a paycut. It took me 3 years to get back to where I was before I got licensed" LOL. WTF?!?!
I think he talked them into keeping him where he was but letting him keep his OT.
I'll be getting my license within a month or so and I plan on keeping it a secret so I don't have to take a big paycut for tackling the ARE/IDP.
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Archangel_BP19
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:24 am |
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You know it's pretty sad that this is what this profession has come to. All the other professions (landscape archs, civil/MEP engineers, contractors, heck even the product sales reps) that interact with architects make either as much, a little more, or a whole lot more than our profession. But even with the ones that make as much as we do, we still beat them out as far as prescribed education and length of time at school. They're professional associations are probably doing a whole lot more for them than our beloved AIA. A lot of the engineers don't really care about coordinating their drawings and they get paid much more. And then we get the blamed for it if it doesn't get done.
I am about to go back to school and take up nursing. They've got accelerated programs for 18 months which allow prior baccalaureate grads to get a Bachelor's of Science in Nursing. Job security, great benefits, and people appreciate that you're helping them out. It's a hard job but not any harder than architecture.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 05:07 pm |
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Archangel_BP19 wrote: You know it's pretty sad that this is what this profession has come to. What is has come to? It's always been this way. We're whores and we're not even smart enough to have pimps.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 03:46 am |
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By the nature of the capitalist economy, we are paid correctly for our services.
We are just too stupid to change or try something else. Nothing will change in this profession the way I see it, not as long as we continue to be idealistic stormtroopers. Managers don't have to treat us better (they treat us like ***), and the supply of suckers will go down. Demand will stay the same, and thus, prices will rise. But the profession will still suck.
I make about 50K a year doing this, and I honestly don't think it would be any more rewarding if I did the same job for 100K.
I can't wait to find the escape hatch out of this horrific "profession". Architecture is a joke, and I'm honestly embarassed to even tell friends and family what the profession is actually like. Why rain on their parade? They think being an architect is cool. It's all a myth. Smoke and mirrors. I can't wait to get my license in a month so I can burn it and create energy.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 02:33 pm |
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Zip - Zero - Nada . . . I asked my business partners if I get a raise or bonus . . . they laughed . . . but hey we all make the same amount . . . 
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Archangel_BP19
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 09:00 pm |
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That's awesome though that you had enough motivation to get the license! I remember coming home from work (if I ever did come home) and not having the energy to do anything related to architecture because I practically breathed it and was frankly too exhausted. During our lunchbreaks, coworkers and I would discuss how we would get our licenses and then get out of the profession to go do something more rewarding! We felt bad for having to do all that schooling and not wanting to be in the profession any longer. I guess the idea of passing the gauntlet of exams still looked appealing to the ego though...the same ego that gets you through school thinking you've made it through one of the most difficult curriculums, which we used to call architorture! Then the reality of the workforce had killed any idealism we ever had and made us soberingly jaded.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 09:58 pm |
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Y'all need to lighten up, I'm as jaded as the next guy but complaining about living in a country where we can buy 500 types of cheese in one market, flush our poop with drinking water, have cable TV, imported beer etc. need to be a little less like brats and more proactive with our own personal situation.
I expect one very important raise when i get registered, the full on satisfaction that i did it, can now refer to my self by that title legally and get my captains license so i can get paid to be in mother nature.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 06:11 pm |
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fibes wrote: complaining about living in a country where we can buy 500 types of cheese in one market, flush our poop with drinking water, have cable TV, imported beer etc. need to be a little less like brats and more proactive with our own personal situation.
The complaint isn't about the Country in which we live, it's about the profession.
Working in a terrible profession and telling yourself "Ehhh, at least I'm not destitute in Ethiopia" isn't really addressing the issue at hand - which is that you aren't satisfied with your work.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 07:08 pm |
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Alright wrote: fibes wrote: complaining about living in a country where we can buy 500 types of cheese in one market, flush our poop with drinking water, have cable TV, imported beer etc. need to be a little less like brats and more proactive with our own personal situation.
The complaint isn't about the Country in which we live, it's about the profession.
Working in a terrible profession and telling yourself "Ehhh, at least I'm not destitute in Ethiopia" isn't really addressing the issue at hand - which is that you aren't satisfied with your work.
People can complain about every profession; so many people have become spoiled to the point that they truly can't see how good they have it. If you aren't satisfied, do something about it but don't expect everyone to think petty complaints about salary, respect, creative issues and liability exposure are things worth pity.
So while you may think it has nothing to do with it; it's your freedom to disagree which on that basis alone should give you something to be thankful for.
I've been:
A roofer, a framer, a musician, commercial fisherman, first mate, stock clerk, night manager, recording engineer/producer, guitar teacher, draw bridge operator, sound guy, electricians assistant, gas station attendant and a Hostess Twinkie.
This gig ain't so bad, seriously.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 04:02 am |
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fibes wrote: Alright wrote: fibes wrote: complaining about living in a country where we can buy 500 types of cheese in one market, flush our poop with drinking water, have cable TV, imported beer etc. need to be a little less like brats and more proactive with our own personal situation.
The complaint isn't about the Country in which we live, it's about the profession.
Working in a terrible profession and telling yourself "Ehhh, at least I'm not destitute in Ethiopia" isn't really addressing the issue at hand - which is that you aren't satisfied with your work.
People can complain about every profession; so many people have become spoiled to the point that they truly can't see how good they have it. If you aren't satisfied, do something about it but don't expect everyone to think petty complaints about salary, respect, creative issues and liability exposure are things worth pity.
So while you may think it has nothing to do with it; it's your freedom to disagree which on that basis alone should give you something to be thankful for.
I've been:
A roofer, a framer, a musician, commercial fisherman, first mate, stock clerk, night manager, recording engineer/producer, guitar teacher, draw bridge operator, sound guy, electricians assistant, gas station attendant and a Hostess Twinkie.
This gig ain't so bad, seriously.
This is an internet thread about salaries, so this is the place where people should complain. It doesn't mean we are all going around the office whining about it.
People have become spoiled? Who, architects? I don't think architects have become spoiled.
It's also hard to say "well, I feel underpaid, but at least I'm not eating bugs in a village in some jungle, just trying to dodge Ebola." I mean, "it's all relative". When people (say, architects) see their engineer neighbor living lavishly, it will annoy them. It's all relative...
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 02:55 pm |
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Forgive me for trying to point out that we should be thankful for what we have; I now realize that such positive vibes are impossible for some to reconcile.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 03:37 pm |
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| Seriously, when posters use the words "us, people, them, you" to make THEIR point, instead of "me, my opinion, I think", it reveals something akin to denial. Alright, you may need a new screenname ?
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 06:30 pm |
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fibes wrote: Forgive me for trying to point out that we should be thankful for what we have; I now realize that such positive vibes are impossible for some to reconcile.
One can be thankful and grateful for what they have, but they will still naturally want to compete with others who are also at "their level"*
*Meaning, I guess, those who get to flush their toilet.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 06:36 pm |
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| ask mlawhockey how the bathroom humor worked out.
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