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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 01:48 pm |
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I am very surprised that the state boards go after people who practice architecture calling themselves architects without being a licensed and not trying one attempt to stop this IT architect and Enterprise architect or whatever....I am not with either case. why AIA do not go after those guys who never even practiced architecture and call themselves architects. I am not trying to be elitist or anything just like I would not call myself a doctor as I respect other profession do not you think that we need to ask other to respect this profession. I was shocked when i was doing a job search 80% of the so called architect jobs was actually non architecture related it was just IT job. am I missing something did they change the architectural education and IT became part of it and i do not know. 
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 01:58 pm |
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| Been going on for a while now and you're right...its BS. What really rubs salt in the wounds is the advertised healthy starting salaries for these "Architects". However, I think with todays economy, people are more concerned with keeping their jobs than hunting down these "fake architects".
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 05:15 pm |
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PGH-STEELERS wrote: I am very surprised that the state boards go after people who practice architecture calling themselves architects without being a licensed and not trying one attempt to stop this IT architect and Enterprise architect or whatever Under what authority? The IT guys do not design buildings. why AIA do not go after those guys who never even practiced architecture and call themselves architects. AIA has no authority to go after anyone. I would not call myself a doctor as I respect other profession do not you think that we need to ask other to respect this profession. There's a chain called Shoe Doctor. There's a soda called Dr. Pepper. Everyone with a PhD calls themselves doctor. I was shocked when i was doing a job search 80% of the so called architect jobs was actually non architecture related it was just IT job. How long has it been since you searched? Wait. Check that... Have you ever searched online? This has been a problem since Monster was a barely an ogre and HotJobs was lukewarm.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 05:31 pm |
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| nothing personal as I do like your posts coach but your answer is really disturbing and means there is sense of " who cares" between architects. have you asked yourself why they did not call themselves attorney well they will never to defend in court but they know that lawyers will go after them. there is this consistence attack on the profession and sometimes its from within. they say denial is a state of mind. again nothing personal . and AIA sent not that long ago asking all members their suggestion regarding the architect tittle.. so even if they do not have legal authority yet they ethical responsibility to protect the interest of the profession isn`t that what we paying for enhance the practice and protect the interest of our profession. its not a club membership there are duties they have to perform in return. Last edited on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 05:35 pm by PGH-STEELERS
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 05:50 pm |
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PGH-STEELERS wrote: its not a club membership there are duties they have to perform in return. If that's what you expect of the AIA you definitely should save your money. If the AIA had been acting as they should have all these decades, there wouldn't be so much disdain fro them within the profession. Do you hear the same from lawyers about the ABA or doctors and the AMA? As for my answer, this is old news and a losing battle. The horse is not only out of the barn but it raped all of the neighbors' mares and we have been overrun. The AIA and state boards did not do their jobs when they needed to over 20 years ago. Do you really think that anything can be done now to move an entire society and its language? Forget it. Karl Rove will always be the architect of W's regime, Sam Walton will always be the architect of the largest retailer in the world, and IT guys will always use "architect"... ...unless you can convince them that "czar" is cooler.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 06:01 pm |
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that suck
But I have always refused to be passive. Why the architectural community never thought of forming a new organization that is actually seek our interest what is so magical about AIA. I think architects are very fine people hard working and dedicating we deserve better. and you are right but nothing will change unless we wanted to change that. here is a funny one .. I was looking at one firm for possible position and one of the benefits listed was free morning coffee
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 06:35 pm |
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on a similar subject, one of mine pet peeves is the designation "software engineer" common in my state. It is even not uncommon for people holding such job titles not to have finished college.
(with the number of negatives I put in that last sentence I could qualify to write ARE test questions)
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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Coach wrote: There's a chain called Shoe Doctor. There's a soda called Dr. Pepper. Everyone with a PhD calls themselves doctor.
The AMA should go after this guy:
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 07:55 pm |
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| Or this one Attached Image (viewed 446 times):
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 08:45 pm |
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| Why every time there is an issue to discuss regarding the practice or current situation we turn it into a joke...its not funny
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 08:48 pm |
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PGH-STEELERS wrote: Why every time there is an issue to discuss regarding the practice or current situation we turn it into a joke...its not funny
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 09:10 pm |
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| not in this life time
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 09:35 pm |
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skyhook wrote: PGH-STEELERS wrote: Why every time there is an issue to discuss regarding the practice or current situation we turn it into a joke...its not funny
"I will stop for 1 milllllllllllllllllllllion dollars"
That was really funny.
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| yeah funny ....looking
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:02 pm |
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Coach wrote: Or this one
oh,,,kmet radio...this explains alot
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/5515/kmet.html
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A little bit of heaven, 94.7
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:34 pm |
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| OK ...next
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:54 pm |
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| KMET, tweedle dee!
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:58 pm |
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PG - I apologize to you.
You see, i have no real life,... what with studying for the riveting and life sucking LF (test tomorroW) , my country going blue, and working in a profession where folk are either bailing or being bailed on.
So I particpate in hijacking of the occasional thread, for no other reason than random escape from reality and a little fun with some of the boys ( i think they're boys).
Hope you find your answers and no harm no foul. peace out 
whooooooooooooo yaaaahhhhh to jeff gonzer, mary the burner, jim ladd and dr. D
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 12:31 am |
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| No need to apologize Its sad where we are believe me. but I do not like to be negative. I like to do something bout it and may be with some ideas from everyone here. good luck with your exam.,
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 02:50 am |
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The topic of "software architects" comes up regularly in the forum.
There are two basic themes.
"I can call myself an architect without a license because software architects do it."
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"Software architects make more money and don't have a license and life isn't fair."
In my opinion, even poor attempts at humor are more productive than either of these themes.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 04:48 am |
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| OK and
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 07:05 am |
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In this campaign year, how many times did we hear "the architect of the campaign", or "the architect of that bill", or whatever all refering to things with government and Congress.
Just thought I would throw that one out there. Since Jefferson, who did at least design some buildings, gave government the ability to use that title for anyone that drafts up a new Act, or amendment, or bill, or law??
Hmm? I don't get it myself.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 03:27 pm |
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It the end, doesn't it just come down to the laws of local jurisdiction? For example, in MA it is not against the law to call yourself an "Architect", in general. It is only against the law if you are unlicensed AND use the title with the implication that you can legally provide architectural (as in design buildings, etc) services.
If you work in software development or such, you are not implying the intent to provide traditional architectural services. There is really no harm being done...other than making job search engines tedious to use.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 03:33 pm |
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| I think I will use the term president or no may be attorney in law..well I do not practice law so no harm . its just make the public and job search engine tedious that is all.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 07:42 pm |
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Dr. No
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Zy50Dy6Zk
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 06:49 am |
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wograr wrote:
It the end, doesn't it just come down to the laws of local jurisdiction? For example, in MA it is not against the law to call yourself an "Architect", in general. It is only against the law if you are unlicensed AND use the title with the implication that you can legally provide architectural (as in design buildings, etc) services.
same in CA. as Coach noted earlier, I raised the same issue back in the early 90's when software and network architect first started being used. the response i received from California Architects Board was that since they "did not hold themselves out to practice architecture" it was OK.
What about engineers who have had their title stripped by network engineers or even the lowly project engineer?
I've gotten over it (mostly) and would rather focus on keeping the so-called practitioners in line.
PS, the AIA has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with licensing whatsoever. why did you think they should be doing something about this?
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 02:09 pm |
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I'm cool with this guy calling himself an Architect
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...i had to chime in on this one because it does actually tick me off a/ how our professional title is thrown around so loosely, but also because it reminds of a really hillarious part of an older movie staring Dr. Dre and Ed Lover of YO! MTV Raps fame...it's basically a segment of the movie, "Who's the Man," in which Dennis Leary goes crazy on Dr. Dre for giving himself the title of Dr. when it is clear he is not a doctor in the traditional sense of the word... i'm sure it can be you tubed...
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Posted: Fri Nov 21st, 2008 07:05 pm |
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Outside of this profession, does not bother me when folk use the term "architect", as.
1. it is a complement
2. it s descriptive in ref to their craft.
Inside the profession - they should forfeit their option to become one.
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PGH-STEELERS wrote: I am very surprised that the state boards go after people who practice architecture calling themselves architects without being a licensed and not trying one attempt to stop this IT architect and Enterprise architect or whatever....I am not with either case. why AIA do not go after those guys who never even practiced architecture and call themselves architects. I am not trying to be elitist or anything just like I would not call myself a doctor as I respect other profession do not you think that we need to ask other to respect this profession. I was shocked when i was doing a job search 80% of the so called architect jobs was actually non architecture related it was just IT job. am I missing something did they change the architectural education and IT became part of it and i do not know.
Merrian -Webster Dictionary
Main Entry:
ar·chi·tect
Pronunciation:
\ˈär-kə-ˌtekt\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle French architecte, from Latin architectus, from Greek architektōn master builder, from archi- + tektōn builder, carpenter — more at technical
Date:
1563
1 : a person who designs buildings and advises in their construction
2 : a person who designs and guides a plan or undertaking <the architect of American foreign policy>
There is more than one meaning for almost any word in the English language. State Boards. NCARB, etc. are only concerned by rules and statues to what specifically apply to the word "architect" in context of the word and in connection to the definition that it applies to.
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