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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 02:43 am |
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One of my favorite building by the late Louis Kahn.
The Salk Institute in La Jolla California.
Purity in form, balance, serenity, spirituality, material choice, notice the thin water channel which acts as the binding element of the two buidings.
This for me is a great architecture.
I have been longing to see any projects nowadays that could at least touch your emotion like this one.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 04:09 am |
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tropical-hut wrote:
Cool, This is also one of my favorite. I have this same picture 30x42 hanging over my desk at work.
The ideal architect has artistic ability, technical skill, and the charisma necessary to convince clients that they should hire him or her. I've only learned recently how important it is to be able to SELL. I am not a salesman and therefor fall short of the ideal architect.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 02:48 pm |
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every time I see that picture, I ask the same question.
where are the people?
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 03:06 pm |
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brudgers wrote: every time I see that picture, I ask the same question.
where are the people?
People? In architectural photos? Never saw such a thing 
Ok - that statement, facetious as it was intended, reminds me of watching my father waiting for people to get out of the way at various tourist locations to get the landmarks w/o the tourists. Of course, when he travels overseas, he likes getting pictures with everyday people in them (but not the tourists  ).
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 03:18 pm |
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brudgers wrote: every time I see that picture, I ask the same question.
where are the people?
they're all inside b/c their research grants don't allow for plaza breaks.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 03:39 pm |
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| Well, I like the landscaping. The view is marvelously framed. But it doesn't tell me anything about the buildings or architectur themselves and for me though a concrete wall on either side doesn't make great architecture. Someone got some plans and other elevations of this building. How does it function? What is it's role?
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 05:24 pm |
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RK wrote: Well, I like the landscaping. The view is marvelously framed. But it doesn't tell me anything about the buildings or architectur themselves and for me though a concrete wall on either side doesn't make great architecture. Someone got some plans and other elevations of this building. How does it function? What is it's role?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgiBL6R0m-A&feature=related
Maybe this will help answer some of your question. And there are other related links.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 05:46 pm |
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The video confirms it.
Nobody (other than a derranged studio rat on pilgramage) would sit in that horrible plaza.
People prefer the human scaled spaces below.
The plaza is barren and lifeless.
In my opinion, unshaded concrete is pretty lousy "landscaping."
If it didn't have the water element, it would actually be useful...for parking cars.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 08:01 pm |
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For those of you, who are not aware, it is actually an environmentally friendly car wash.
The cars are parked in the plaza, it rains (washing the cars), the water is captured and directed back to the water source beyond; where it becomes, once again, a part of the water cycle.
Note: No cars on sunny days.
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 01:41 am |
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Actually it really is a very restful and soulfull place when you're there. San Diego is a very temperate area and it's usually quite pleasant temperature wise and I've always felt a sense of relaxment while walking around or sitting on a bench along the perimeter of the plaza. The labs themselves are very well designed and the buildings also, being made of high grade wood (it might be mahogany), glass, stainless steel and concrete. It's been quite a long time since they've been built and the last time I was there they were in great shape with no or little maintenance. I'm not sure but I think the plaza might not be concrete. It's been quite awhile since I've been there and I had other things on my mind than architecture at that time.
Luis Kahn was a tremendous architect and his buildings are a testament to his skill.
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 01:49 am |
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This is another one of my very favorite buildings and is only a couple of miles from the Salk institute. It is the central library building of UCSD and is the crown jewel of that campus. The architect: William Periera The Contractor: Bechtel Year built; late 1960's. It's a great place to sit and read a book, either inside or out. It's set in the middle of a eucalyptus forest and the study carrels go along the windows. Many a day I'd sit there and spend more time daydreaming than focusing on my studies, watching the wind weaving the supple leaves of the trees into a mosaic of motion that was hypnotic and soothing.
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 06:47 am |
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Is there such a thing as "best" architecture?
Isn't it possible that architecture of what ever scale, use, material is unto itself "best" for at least someone and therefore "best"?
How does a father choose the child that is "best"?
Ask 50 architects and you will get 50 "best" choices.
Isn't that the beauty of architecture that neither law or medicine can boast?
In law there is always a loser, in medicine, people die, but in architecture there is always "bests", no losers and no deaths.
Just wondering.
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 07:21 am |
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mikeyos wrote: What would You call an ideal architect, ur views of the best archtect
One who is generally happy with what they usually have spent their life to study, learn and possibly master.
One who is financially solvent to the extent that he/she is not living from paycheck to paycheck.
One who is responsible enough to manage a multi-million dollar project and also their own household budget and finances at the same time.
One who does not try to impress by getting on the cell phone as soon as in the elevator or in the car.
Maybe more later.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 02:39 am |
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How would a firm research a potential client?
Is there any type of escrow account that could be set up in order to insure payment?
If all firms experience clients who don't pay, is it the responsibility of the firm's owners to pay their employees on time, taking out loans/line of credit or some such action to ensure payroll is met?
Futher, it's interesting to note that Frank Lloyd Wright never did get a full college education and gain licensure as an R/LArchitect. That puts me in good company, wink.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 02:46 am |
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pgharchintern wrote: How would a firm research a potential client?
Is there any type of escrow account that could be set up in order to insure payment?
If all firms experience clients who don't pay, is it the responsibility of the firm's owners to pay their employees on time, taking out loans/line of credit or some such action to ensure payroll is met?
Futher, it's interesting to note that Frank Lloyd Wright never did get a full college education and gain licensure as an R/LArchitect. That puts me in good company, wink.
???? this should be on the other post...
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| Yes sorry, the ARE Forum website gets goofy on me and doesn't put me into the correct thread. Drives me nuts.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 03:49 pm |
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pgharchintern wrote: Yes sorry, the ARE Forum website gets goofy on me and doesn't put me into the correct thread. Drives me nuts.
http://www.areforum.org/forums/forum16/66438.html
well, maybe...an ideal architect would also be one who pays his employees first.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 09:16 pm |
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skyhook wrote: pgharchintern wrote: Yes sorry, the ARE Forum website gets goofy on me and doesn't put me into the correct thread. Drives me nuts.
http://www.areforum.org/forums/forum16/66438.html
well, maybe...an ideal architect would also be one who pays his employees first.
LOL, I'm glad I wasn't the one who commented on that point skyhook. I complaine enough lol.
Seriously though, I didn't get paid again today. My wife called and I told her that he, the principal, has a client who is taking time paying. She exploded as I knew she would, but what can I do? I know he's not happy and it's embarrasing but I told him that I need paid asap. I'm living from pay to pay. Medical bills have eaten into our finances. We don't eat out, we don't have boats or 2nd homes. She, my wife, is finally going to start a very part time job so her extra $500 a month will help.
One does what one can.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 10:49 pm |
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brudgers wrote: The video confirms it.
Nobody (other than a derranged studio rat on pilgramage) would sit in that horrible plaza.
People prefer the human scaled spaces below.
The plaza is barren and lifeless.
In my opinion, unshaded concrete is pretty lousy "landscaping."
If it didn't have the water element, it would actually be useful...for parking cars.
Parking? No... Have u been there? I have been there, and I think it is great. Ocean front with lime-stone plaza & concrete is better than you can imagine.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 11:30 pm |
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King wrote: Parking? No... Have u been there? I have been there, and I think it is great. Ocean front with lime-stone plaza & concrete is better than you can imagine.
Better for what?
An empty space in which to celebrate the axis?
If it's so fn great, why does nobody actually use it?
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 11:47 pm |
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brudgers wrote: Better for what?
An empty space in which to celebrate the axis?
If it's so fn great, why does nobody actually use it?
Why does a great space needs people in it for it to be great? It can be inspirational.
Salk scientists said every morning when they came in to the plaza & see the view, it inspired them to do better research work.
I did an analysis on it in school, so I understood the bldg. little better than others. Besides, I went there to look at it. This is a bldg. that has won many awards for a reason.
Kahn originally wanted to put some trees in the plaza to block the wind & also to create a resting area for the users, but Luis Barragan talked him out of it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 11:59 pm |
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King wrote: Why does a great space needs people in it for it to be great?
If photography is your test of greatness, you don't.
Hell, Pruitt-Igoe was award winning.
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"If it's so fn great, why does nobody actually use it?"
People do use it. I think it's the total effect that makes it work. It is a research center and everytime I've been there it's been sparsely populated if at all but it's a contemplative place and setting and that is what I think Kahn was trying to achieve. Aall of the other side of those tilt-ups are glass with private views (you don't have your neighbor gawking at you) and I'm sure many a scientist has stared out in reverie and possibly has had their intuition stimulated by the whole serene scene. I'm sure at times someone is out there tossing a frisbee or a ball for their dog but for the most part it's a place to unwind and I guess, to think.
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rudoneyet wrote: People do use it. I think it's the total effect that makes it work. It is a research center and everytime I've been there it's been sparsely populated if at all but it's a contemplative place and setting and that is what I think Kahn was trying to achieve. Aall of the other side of those tilt-ups are glass with private views (you don't have your neighbor gawking at you) and I'm sure many a scientist has stared out in reverie and possibly has had their intuition stimulated by the whole serene scene. I'm sure at times someone is out there tossing a frisbee or a ball for their dog but for the most part it's a place to unwind and I guess, to think.
It's pure facadism, in my opinion. All the meaningful aspects of life must take place elsewhere out of necessity.
The proof is in the pudding (not your imagination). People don't stay in the space because it's scale and detailing is inhumane for the sake of a mere image.
Collaboration and the exchange of ideas are the lifeblood of a scientific community, not uniterupted zazen.
There's no intimacy and no chance that people will hangout long enough to bounce ideas off each other.
Building 20 was arguably one of the most productive scientific buildings ever built. It was designed to efficiently house people, not express some architect's misconception of the scientific process.
The only people who use the photograph as a measure of architectural greatness are architects and architecture students.
It's one reason why people think we're fools.
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brudgers wrote: rudoneyet wrote: People do use it. I think it's the total effect that makes it work. It is a research center and everytime I've been there it's been sparsely populated if at all but it's a contemplative place and setting and that is what I think Kahn was trying to achieve. Aall of the other side of those tilt-ups are glass with private views (you don't have your neighbor gawking at you) and I'm sure many a scientist has stared out in reverie and possibly has had their intuition stimulated by the whole serene scene. I'm sure at times someone is out there tossing a frisbee or a ball for their dog but for the most part it's a place to unwind and I guess, to think.
It's pure facadism, in my opinion. All the meaningful aspects of life must take place elsewhere out of necessity.
The proof is in the pudding (not your imagination). People don't stay in the space because it's scale and detailing is inhumane for the sake of a mere image.
Collaboration and the exchange of ideas are the lifeblood of a scientific community, not uniterupted zazen.
There's no intimacy and no chance that people will hangout long enough to bounce ideas off each other.
Building 20 was arguably one of the most productive scientific buildings ever built. It was designed to efficiently house people, not express some architect's misconception of the scientific process.
The only people who use the photograph as a measure of architectural greatness are architects and architecture students.
It's one reason why people think we're fools.
I think this is a classic example of architectural photography in the interest of selling photographs. Go to the Salk midday. You'll see lots of people out there, usually just for lunch of course. The fill it with tables and chairs. It is not intended as an intimate space within which colleagues bounce ideas off each other (those exist on the other side of the concrete walls that flank the plaza), it is just a plaza, intended to be used as a break/lunchtime hangout area, and it is used for that.
The reason you never see people in it in pictures is some photog decided people-less posters will sell better.
Now that I think about it, this seems to be a recurring problem for modern architecture, but I can't vouch for bldgs I haven't seen in person.
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