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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 11:36 pm |
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I plan on taking GS in late September, and need some advice.
The idea of having an instructor live to ask questions, interact, and let him respond to my "deer in the headlights" looks are priceless. Although, the flexibility of learing at my own pace with Marc's seminars are appealing.
Obviously, there are pro's and con's to each, especially since David's seminars are either in Canada or Puerto Rico this summer, which is a bit of an expense. 
Any advice would be helpful!
See attached 2008 David Thaddeus summer schedule
Attachment: 2008 GS & LF Seminars-Thaddeus .pdf (Downloaded 259 times)
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 11:58 pm |
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I took David Thaddeus' seminar and found it extremely helpful. He lays out what you need to know and what you do not. I would email David. There are sometime other seminars that do not get confirmed until later on.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 02:27 am |
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thaddeus rocks!
I have taken both, and you need to study before each.
Thaddeus would be my first choice.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 03:01 pm |
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I have done both seminars. I did a one day Thaddeus seminar for both GS and LF and also did the Online Anytime course by Marc Mitalski for GS, and now half way through the LF seminar. I got much more out of the Mitalski seminar b/c I could go at my own pace and it was more in depth (but note that my Thaddeus seminar was only one day, for 2 exams - he offers three day seminars too).
Marc Mitalski is always available for follow up questions via phone, e-mail, or online whiteboard (where he draws diagrams you see while on the phone or over speakers), and has immeasurable patience and clarity. I have had MANY a phone call and tutorial session with Marc that were invaluable in aiding my understanding of structures. I believe Marc also travels to do face-to-face seminars, check his website to be sure.
Whichever you choose, do this first:
- review Materials & Methods - if you have taken that exam recently, that's great prep; if not, at least look at the flash cards first
- read up some basic structures info, i.e. Kaplan Chapters 1 and 2, and practice some of the equations (don't worry if it does not all gel yet, just expose yourself to the concepts and formulae so you have an idea of what to expect in the seminar).
- go over some flash cards, either Kaplan or Archiflash (or both, preferably)
- get pens in at least 4 different colors for note-taking, esp. for distinguishing between compression and tension forces, etc. This is as important to the reading and prep you will do before the course!
- ask questions, often! Both of them are open to questions and answers and are very good teachers, so make use of their available knowledge and help.
Good luck!
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 06:32 pm |
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The GS I failed (did I mention that) had 17 calculations, which threw me for a loop!
I totally thought I was prepared, then BAM one calc after another. I seriously wanted to cry.
Marc has a live one on Memorial Day weekend, so maybe I will sit for that.
I really want to take David's, but it will cost me a fortune to fly cross-country, rent a hotel room, AND pay for the seminar.
It sounds like both are equally good, so it's really up to me to absorb the information and study like a mad-woman! 
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 07:05 pm |
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I think the most important thing you can do is to do some prep before (whichever) seminar, to breathe and take it easy. I froze and panicked and found that my ability to synthesize concepts went way down.
Once I relaxed (literally walked away from the computer/desk/books every 30 minutes for a few minutes), all the info bubbled up in a way that made sense and I was much relieved. Any seminar you take will only help you to the extent that you let it!
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 03:45 pm |
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Yesterday, I downloaded Marc's introduction to the class and learned a ton in 30 minutes.
He spoke about Truss systems, and I was mesmerized by how much I absorbed, AND had fun learning.
I started taking yoga so I could practice my breathing prior to this exam 
Thanks for the advice.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 04:13 pm |
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Sterling wrote: Yesterday, I downloaded Marc's introduction to the class and learned a ton in 30 minutes.
He spoke about Truss systems, and I was mesmerized by how much I absorbed, AND had fun learning.
I started taking yoga so I could practice my breathing prior to this exam
Thanks for the advice.
Great to hear. I find yoga and reiki to be great partners in this crazy work of studying!
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 06:41 pm |
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i posted this comment on a few other threads but i also took the mitalski online course. in hindsight, his course prepared me very well for concepts, but not so much on understanding the math equations and how all the variables relate to and affect each other. (watching him do the math problem on a whiteboard was wayyy more passive, ie lazy, than trying to figure it out the hard way in the Kaplan book!)
next time i take GS (and there will be a next time) i will practice those nasty problems in the kaplan book. i was too scared to even touch them this time around. blah.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 07:26 pm |
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I have failed GS twice now - gearing up for the third - and I am determined, LAST TIME in two weeks. I took David's course and it was excellent for the calculations, not so great with the concepts. I am now taking Marc's course on line and find it really good - he's able to explain the concepts in an easy way. I think that with both of these courses under my belt, I should be able to pass. (We're renovating our house right now and I'm starting a new architectural practice - some other stresses going on, but GS is my last exam and I have to pass) I want my life back!!
Good luck all.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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Can someone please tell me how the Marc Mitalski Online course works. How long do you get to view it online? With payment, do I get a secret password to get the class? What would happen if I wanted to watch an hour during my lunch hour at work and then watch another hour at home? $350 is a lot of money BUT from what I read, I think this would put me over the hump to pass both structures. That is all I have left (I am waiting for results for my Pre-Design but feel good about it). I am too close to finishing and I do not think I can handle a fail.
Any information on the Online class would be helpful that have not been mentioned yet.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 04:14 pm |
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http://www.prepareinc.us/course_overview.htm
http://www.areforum.org/forums/forum19/56575.html
I'd recommend doing the Online Anytime course b/c you can start and stop whenever you want (i.e. an hour at lunch). Within a few hours or so of registering you'll be hooked up to the course - just call their office (on the website under Contact Us) to confirm.
It's well worth it. I passed GS thanks to that course and Marc's great phone/e-mail/web tutoring!
Good luck!
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 06:11 pm |
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| Aldo....I'm taking the Thaddeus 3-Day seminar in P.R. this weekend. He gave us some mock-exams...but does he really do these at the seminar. Or he wants us to ask him only the questions from these exercises???
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 08:26 pm |
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if you are doing the MM online anytime course yes, you will be given log in instructions and all the username / password info after to pay. it may take mark a day to get to your order. first thing you need to do is download and print out the course material. it's like 150 pages or so. when you start watching the recorded lectures, periodically right down the timestamp of the recording onto the coorresponding hardcopy of the course material. that way, when you stop / start watching, you can pick up exactly where you left off. there are NO timestamps on the course material. each session is like 4 hours long and it's unlikely that you'll sit for the entire thing so you must keep track of what exact time you are at in the recording. also this is extremely useful if you plan on going backwards to review material. also i used post its to mark the exact page in the course material where a new session starts and stops.
hope this helps!
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 08:53 pm |
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SOFIA MARRERO wrote: Aldo....I'm taking the Thaddeus 3-Day seminar in P.R. this weekend. He gave us some mock-exams...but does he really do these at the seminar. Or he wants us to ask him only the questions from these exercises???
Take at least 4 different colored pens to follow his system of notetaking!
I did his 1-day seminar and there were no practice exams.
The 3-day is probably a better way to go - I found the 1-day too fast!
Good luck!
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 01:59 am |
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mgilman wrote: SOFIA MARRERO wrote: Aldo....I'm taking the Thaddeus 3-Day seminar in P.R. this weekend. He gave us some mock-exams...but does he really do these at the seminar. Or he wants us to ask him only the questions from these exercises???
Take at least 4 different colored pens to follow his system of notetaking!
I did his 1-day seminar and there were no practice exams.
The 3-day is probably a better way to go - I found the 1-day too fast!
Good luck!
Thaddeus is very open to questions, if you review the material beforehand, you will really benefit from the intense experience, it won't be so grueling. I started reviewing GS material 3 weeks before his seminar and took the exam 2 weeks after and pass. The bottom line is that study hard before the seminar and harder afterward.
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 09:48 am |
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btb wrote:
Thaddeus is very open to questions, if you review the material beforehand, you will really benefit from the intense experience, it won't be so grueling. I started reviewing GS material 3 weeks before his seminar and took the exam 2 weeks after and pass. The bottom line is that study hard before the seminar and harder afterward.
I totally agree - review as much as possible before. I found him very accessible. Interestingly, I am finding (now that I am studying for LF) that I retained much more of his LF lecture than the GS - perhaps b/c I went in with a weak background in GS (and no review) but I had a base for LF (I have a degree in Geography, before Architecture).
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 02:08 pm |
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Thanks to both for your comments. I'll keep making my reviews before & after the seminar. Hope to post some good news after the tests!!!!!
SCM 
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 02:54 pm |
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I took the Mitalski course and feel very prepared for the GS exam (I'll let you know what happens in the next two weeks). I am now able to pass the Kaplan testbanks which I couldn't after I read the Kaplan and Ballast books.
My advice - if you are taking GS and LF - only take one at a time. I could not take both in the alloted time (you only get one month if you pay for both at the same time). If you take both it's $350 and you get one month of on-line time. If you need more time you pay $50 for two more weeks. That's what I had to do - so I paid $400 for six weeks of time. If you pay for them separately - $250 GS and $150 LF - you get eight weeks on-line.
ALS (kaplan) on-line is a joke. It's the book on-line. You can use it forever on-line - there seems to be no limit, but once you read the book, you realize it is a carbon copy - save your money. The sample exams and on-line interactive exercises are also a joke.
Good luck!
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 04:44 pm |
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imnothavingfun wrote:
ALS (kaplan) on-line is a joke. It's the book on-line. You can use it forever on-line - there seems to be no limit, but once you read the book, you realize it is a carbon copy - save your money. The sample exams and on-line interactive exercises are also a joke.
Good luck!
Thanks - I have the online study mat'l but have not used it - won't waste the time!
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 04:56 pm |
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Marc is holding a Live On-Line Seminar on August 23rd for 2 weekends and a couple week days (at night)...
Im signing up today!
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 05:01 pm |
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I took Thaddeus's GS/LF seminar in person, and Mitalski's LATERAL Forces seminar on the web. Unless his format changed, David focuses mostly on General Structures in his class. David presents the GS material well, except perhaps he tends to stress memorization over understanding basic principles. After a brief introduction to LF, David asks participants to self-study Linear Forces using his course materials.
On the other hand, Mitalski's LATERAL Forces seminar goes deeper into the material. Marc works some problems, has plenty of interesting slides, and provides excellent reading recommendations. I cannot comment on Marc's General Structures course, because I did not take it. But, I found the LF seminar to be really interesting, and Marc even kindled my genuine interest in learning the material at hand. Also, the webinar , distance-learning software was easy to understand and use.
The architectural community is fortunate to have both David and Marc helping us pass the GS/LF exams!
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 05:14 pm |
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JM - Hopefully you got more out of Marc's class than you let on - at least that it's called 'Lateral Forces', not 'Linear Forces'!  Ha ha!
I took both of Marc's classes on-line. Can't say enough about GS. A must.
Just wanted to rib you a bit
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 05:42 pm |
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I would like to take Mark Mitalski seminar.
I see that he has 2 options, the live seminar in August/September and the online seminar, which is good for 1 month each (GS & LF if separate).
What would you recommend me to take?.
Live seminar is at nights and on a specific time, while the online seminars you can study at your own pace.
Is the content the same? I would like to hear from both experiences.
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imnothavingfun wrote: JM - Hopefully you got more out of Marc's class than you let on - at least that it's called 'Lateral Forces', not 'Linear Forces'! Ha ha!
I took both of Marc's classes on-line. Can't say enough about GS. A must.
Just wanted to rib you a bit
oops...shhh, don't tell anyone!
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My advice would be to take the on-line course. The on-line course is just a taped version of a live class. With a live class, you can't go back and review anything.
Also, you can see all the names of the people attending the class. At least an hour or so of the entire course, all Marc does is say things like, "Melissa, are you there? Melissa? We'll wait a minute until everyone checks in." That's about all you miss from the live class. When they take a 10 minute break (every two hours), you just fast forward 10 minutes until he takes roll call again.
Marc covers the material so clearly that at the end of every segment, he asks the class if they have any questions. Questions are rare. I just don't see the advantage of a live seminar.
Finally (just like the live class), if you have a question, you can call or email Marc. I swear the guy must sit by his computer waiting for email - his responses are very quick. He has the patience of Job. If you look at his credentials, his degrees are primarily in architecture - he speaks on our level.
That's my story.
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imnothavingfun wrote: My advice would be to take the on-line course. The on-line course is just a taped version of a live class. With a live class, you can't go back and review anything.
Also, you can see all the names of the people attending the class. At least an hour or so of the entire course, all Marc does is say things like, "Melissa, are you there? Melissa? We'll wait a minute until everyone checks in." That's about all you miss from the live class. When they take a 10 minute break (every two hours), you just fast forward 10 minutes until he takes roll call again.
Marc covers the material so clearly that at the end of every segment, he asks the class if they have any questions. Questions are rare. I just don't see the advantage of a live seminar.
Finally (just like the live class), if you have a question, you can call or email Marc. I swear the guy must sit by his computer waiting for email - his responses are very quick. He has the patience of Job. If you look at his credentials, his degrees are primarily in architecture - he speaks on our level.
That's my story.
Thanks a lot for your help imnothavingfun!
I wasn't sure about the live course, now I think I will do the online course. Plus I will be going to the Thaddeus seminar , so after that one, I can take this one at my own pace. Thanks again!
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 07:04 pm |
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imnothavingfun wrote: He has the patience of Job. If you look at his credentials, his degrees are primarily in architecture - he speaks on our level.
I second that!
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Sterling
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