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icarusburns
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الجمعة فبراير 2nd, 2007 |
| الموقع: | USA |
| عدد المواضيع: | 475 |
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كتب: الاثنين نوفمبر 10th, 2008 03:57 am |
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. . . I am a FOOL, a MORON, a DUNCE.
I dove head first into my studies this weekend, starting with the first of 2 weekends of Funkaar study classes for structures. Structures (math in general) is my absolute weakest area of study. This weekend has proved this beyond the shadow of a doubt. I'm only into the 3rd chapter of Ballast, and it has become the biggest struggle for me, EVER (insert image of grown man on verge of tears). All of the barely passing grades in trig, taking structures 1 - 3 in college, multiple times each, only to squeak by, has finally taken their toll. Just the simple 10 question quiz in chapter 3 has sent me to the brink. Sines, Cosines, etc. mean nothing to me. I even tried to do a refresher in trig, and it did twice as much NOTHING for me. At this point I would need weeks of re-fresher courses on these topics, before getting into the structural portion, and at near 40 years of age, work and family stress, it is just not an option.
It's my own fault for not taking the structures exams first. If I had done so, I would have opted out of this whole ARE fiasco early on.
I'm not looking for sympathy, but a place to voice my disenchantment with my situation . The past 48 hours have really sent me down a negative path.
I had thought about re-scheduling my December test dates, but have decided not to. I will focus on the things that I can understand during my studies, and do my best with them. The stress of putting this off, and off, knowing that I won't learn much more is not worth the agony. After seeing the test (and most likely failing it), I will have a better idea of what to expect for the final 3.1 retake. 4.0 will most likely NOT be something I want to venture in to, as I have heard that the exam can contain up to 40 calculations.
Just in case any one is wondering how pathetic my situation is, here's an example:
Ballast show an equation sin35 = Fy/3000. The answer for Fy = 1721lbf.
. . . I have no idea where that solution came from, even trying to use my stupid scientific calculator.
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pjw400
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الخميس أبريل 8th, 2004 |
| الموقع: | Chicago, Illinois USA |
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كتب: الاثنين نوفمبر 10th, 2008 04:14 am |
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icarusburns,
You want to get Fy by itself. The equation would look something like this
Sin35*3000 = Fy
Type 35 into your calculator and hit the sin button, then multiple 3000. I get 1720.729 which will be the same as 1721.
If I'm wrong please anybody jump in.
Thanks,
pjw400
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icarusburns
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الجمعة فبراير 2nd, 2007 |
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| عدد المواضيع: | 475 |
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كتب: الاثنين نوفمبر 10th, 2008 04:25 am |
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pjw400 wrote: icarusburns,
You want to get Fy by itself. The equation would look something like this
Sin35*3000 = Fy
Type 35 into your calculator and hit the sin button, then multiple 3000. I get 1720.729 which will be the same as 1721.
If I'm wrong please anybody jump in.
Thanks,
pjw400
I can't even ask the right question. That part I was fine with.
The issue that I meant to post was with regard to interchanging both sin and cos, but I'm posting the wrong stuff, so I'm just going to forget about it all for now, and go to sleep.
Thanks PJW.
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pjw400
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| الموقع: | Chicago, Illinois USA |
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كتب: الاثنين نوفمبر 10th, 2008 04:28 am |
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Get a good night sleep and be refresh to tackle the problem again. Sorry I couldn't help.
pjw400
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Jimmy
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الجمعة سيبتمبر 2nd, 2005 |
| الموقع: | St. Louis, Missouri USA |
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كتب: الاثنين نوفمبر 10th, 2008 05:12 am |
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icarusburns,
Have you ever learned something that you thought was really difficult, but afterwards you realized that it's not so bad. I'm sure this will turn out to be just that.
I'm not going to lie to you, this is a tough subject for most, but I think that if you systematically hammer thru it you will learn it.
I would start with some basic algebra and trig and then go deeper into structural concepts.
As far as algebra goes knowing how to manipulate formulas so that you can solve for anything will go along way. i.e. sin35 = Fy/3000 since you want to solve for Fy then you will need to multiply both sides of the equation by 3000 and on the right side of the equation 3000/3000 = 1 so they cancel and you are left with sin35 * 3000 = Fy.
You will also need to know how to do this with other equations such as fb = M/S (bending force = Moment / Section Modulus) to solve for M & S.
To solve for M you would multiply both sides of the equation by S, so you get Fb * S = MS/S or M= Fb * S
and to solve for S you would divide both sides of the equation by M, so you get fb /M = M/MS and since M/M = 1 you have fb /M = 1/S then you invert both sides of the equation to get S = M/Fb
For trig remember that if you have a 5000 pound force acting at a 30deg and and you want to find the vertical and horizontal forces it's sin30 * 5000 and cos30 * 5000 respectively.
Also know SOHCAHTOA (SinX = Opp/Hyp, CosX = Adj/Hyp, TanX = Opp/Adj) and a2 + b2 = c2 and how to apply them.
Most importantly practice practice practice.
Jimmy
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tops
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الخميس مارس 6th, 2008 |
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كتب: الاثنين نوفمبر 10th, 2008 07:23 pm |
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| Icarusburns, I am really bad in math too when I was in school. I was also really afraid of the structures test. But when I took Marc Mitalski's class I realized it was not bad after all. I tried to self study using Kaplan but can't just understand the concepts so I decided to take the seminar. I guess you just need some help to understand it better. Don't be discouraged there are a lot of us out there and they were able to pass the structures.
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mgilman
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الاربعا يناير 23rd, 2008 |
| الموقع: | ARCHITEC _, LEED AP, New York USA |
| عدد المواضيع: | 743 |
| Exams Taken: | PD, GS, LF, ME, BD/MM, CD, SP, BP, BT | | Exams Passed: | GS, LF, ME, BD/MM, CD, SP, BP, BT | | Describes Me: | Happy Happy! |
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كتب: الاثنين نوفمبر 10th, 2008 09:17 pm |
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I was also in near-tears over this exam (and that was AFTER taking the Thaddeus seminar). I registered for Marc Mitalski's online anytime courses for GS and LF and all I can say is they saved me.
Marc is totally patient with people who have not done this stuff in a while. We even spent an hour on the phone on a Saturday morning backtracking my assumptions in one of the Kaplan Chapter 1 problems that was tripping me up until I GOT IT. He offers tutoring over the phone/e-mail if you need it as part of the course registration.
You are not alone - but don't make yourself suffer. Just register for the course. You won't regret it!!!
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abell
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الخميس نوفمبر 9th, 2006 |
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كتب: الاثنين نوفمبر 10th, 2008 09:43 pm |
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Thanks Jimmy for your level headed approach. I for one needed it today!
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كتب: الثلاثا نوفمبر 11th, 2008 02:43 am |
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mgilman wrote: I was also in near-tears over this exam (and that was AFTER taking the Thaddeus seminar). I registered for Marc Mitalski's online anytime courses for GS and LF and all I can say is they saved me.
Marc is totally patient with people who have not done this stuff in a while. We even spent an hour on the phone on a Saturday morning backtracking my assumptions in one of the Kaplan Chapter 1 problems that was tripping me up until I GOT IT. He offers tutoring over the phone/e-mail if you need it as part of the course registration.
You are not alone - but don't make yourself suffer. Just register for the course. You won't regret it!!!
My exam for GS is two weeks from today and I am torn about whether to take the class...I have Kaplan and archiflash cards- I've memorized about half of the cards and have read all of kaplan...but havent had the "ah-hah" moment yet...
Advice? Also is two weeks not enough time to benefit from the course? ie what if he doesnt have time for email/phone in the last week i have etc/
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mgilman
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الاربعا يناير 23rd, 2008 |
| الموقع: | ARCHITEC _, LEED AP, New York USA |
| عدد المواضيع: | 743 |
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كتب: الاربعا نوفمبر 12th, 2008 05:31 pm |
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Hello,
It's a one week course that you can watch anytime - 3-4 hours per lecture - you could do it in a week and then take the test if you are in a hurry and can dedicate the time to studying. You need to allow time to look up material in other sources, practice problems, etc. I'd call and e-mail Marc at the Prep-ARE website to ask his advice. It took a day or so for my course to come online. I needed a couple more weeks AFTER the course to digest everything - but that's just me. Some people are ready right after they finish. The phone number and e-mail are on the site below.
Good luck!
http://www.prepareinc.us/online_anytime.htm
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lbm
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الجمعة أوكتوبر 19th, 2007 |
| الموقع: | Minnesota USA |
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كتب: الاربعا نوفمبر 12th, 2008 06:14 pm |
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| Was Marc's online course helpful?
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fibes
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | الاثنين أبريل 28th, 2008 |
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كتب: الخميس نوفمبر 13th, 2008 04:37 pm |
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See this thread: http://www.areforum.org/forums/forum2/63784.html
Seriously, I passed GS and felt the same way as you before I did Marc's Online Anytime course, after that the fear and mental blocks were washed away.
I still had to use mneumonic devices like sin=vertical=down to hell...
But seriously I just hit 40 and the only real math I've been into is counting cards and fluid ounces.
You will find a way.
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skyhook
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| تاريخ الالتحاق: | السبت مارس 15th, 2008 |
| الموقع: | BT Or Bust |
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كتب: الخميس نوفمبر 13th, 2008 07:57 pm |
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Icarus, ...man you sound like me. There is a reason I put off GS and that reason was c a l c s...hated them. Dude, all I had was high school algebra in my arsonal from 1979 and all I remebered about that class was that fine little....err...never mind.
Do not listen to your brain, this is a new day, destroy the tapes and if you can't destroy them, then when they play just say, "there goes the useless tapes again...now where was I  ?" Be cool, you do not have to be an engineer to pass this.
Realize that not all of the test will be calc related..maybe 15% or so (and some of these will actually be logic orientated and not require a calc.) Concentrate and study on the calcs in which you feel comfortable and just concede those that are troubling...(you may not even see them). Practice making a list of the basic formulas that McAlski recommends, write them down (over and over) in their alternative formats as well. When you arrive at the test center, before you end the tutorial...copy your formuals from your head to the scratch paper for quick reference during the test.
Truthfully, when I studied, I skipped the calcs untile the final 2-3 days of studying, and only then did the number crunching. Just like with the test, skip the calcs until last, then go thru the calc questions in order of your understanding, and then make best guess at rest...throw a dart.
Listen, if you can go through a 85 question exam, do well on the MC and have 17 question or so left for calcs, you could concievable miss all the calcs (which you won't) and still pass. You will find the exam calcs are easier than the study guide problems.
Find websites that go through simple equations to double check your practice...like http://www.webmath.com/index5.html
Prepare and show up. You will do it.
اخر تعديل في الخميس نوفمبر 13th, 2008 11:26 pm بواسطة skyhook
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