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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 01:28 pm |
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Planning to buy Mechanical and Electrical Equipment for Buildings book
Is 9th edition good enough or 10th would have more info for ARE?
10th is more expensive than 9th on Amazon L
Thank you.
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 02:19 pm |
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fossil4U wrote: Planning to buy Mechanical and Electrical Equipment for Buildings book
Is 9th edition good enough or 10th would have more info for ARE?
10th is more expensive than 9th on Amazon L
Thank you.
9th is good enough for the 3.1 exam.
You might want to consider the 10th edition for 4.0.
FYI: This is NCARB's reccommended reference guide for the Building Systems exam (ARE 4.0)
Architectural Acoustics, Principals & Practice
Cavanaugh,Wilkes
JohnWiley & Sons, 1999
Architectural Graphic Standards
Charles G. Ramsey and Harold R. Sleeper
The American Institute of Architects
JohnWiley & Sons, latest edition
ASHRAE Fundamentals Handbook
http://www.ashrae.org
2002-2005
Daylight in Buildings
Poul Kristensen and Roman Jacobiak, Editors
Academy Editions (UK), 2003
Green Building Materials: A Guide to Product Selection
and Specification
Second Edition
Ross Spiegel and Dru Meadows
JohnWiley & Sons, 2006
Handbook of Utilities and Services for Buildings: Planning, Design,
and Installation
Cyril M. Harris
McGraw-Hill, 1990
Handbook on Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators (A17.1)
CSA 844
American Society of Mechanical Engineers, 2004
http://www.asme.org
Heating, Cooling, and Lighting: Design Methods for Architects
Norbert Lechner
JohnWiley & Sons, 2000
Inside Out: Design Procedures for Passive Environmental Design
G. Z. Brown et al.
JohnWiley & Sons, 1982
Mechanical & Electrical Equipment for Buildings
Tenth Edition
Benjamin Stein and John S. Reynolds
JohnWiley & Sons, 2006
Mechanical & Electrical Systems for Historic Buildings
Gersil Newmark Kay
McGraw-Hill, 1992
Passive Solar Design and Construction Handbook
StevenWinter Associates and Michael J. Crosbie, Editors
JohnWiley & Sons, 1997
Simplified Design for Building Fire Safety
James Patterson
JohnWiley & Sons, 1993
Sun, Wind, and Light: Architectural Design Strategies,
Second Edition
G. Z. Brown and Mark DeKay
JohnWiley & Sons, 2000
Understanding Infrastructure: A Guide for Architects and Planners
George Rainer
JohnWiley & Sons, 1990
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 03:24 pm |
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| thank you very much for your prompt reply
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 12:28 am |
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how bout if my boss has the 6th edition? is that ok to use instead of buying it? i would like to save a couple bucks?
thanks guys
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 03:09 pm |
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| 6th is probably ok if you have other sources for issues about green buildings, thermal mass, trombe walls, siting building for optimizing energy efficiency and minimizing sound problems and that type of thing. 9th or later has better material on those subjects and they show up a lot on the exam.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 03:29 pm |
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| 8th edition and using the FTP site for sustainability was enough for me.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 02:39 am |
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| What chapters of the 8th edition did you focus on. I found chapter lists for other editions but they don't seem to match the 8th edition.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 04:59 pm |
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Bigred wrote: What chapters of the 8th edition did you focus on. I found chapter lists for other editions but they don't seem to match the 8th edition.
I used MEEB only for topics that I needed more explanation than Ballast had given me. That being said....I only read the chapters that dealt with:
Acoustics, vertical circulation, fire suspression, the chapter with all the HVAC diagrams, and the chapter with the psychrometic charts.
I recommend that you evaluate the topics that you need more depth and attack MEEB that way. I don't think it is necessary to read the whole book cover to cover.
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 03:12 am |
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. . . I used my dusty old 7th, but MEEB was a minor factor on my exam.
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Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 03:15 am |
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fossil4U wrote: Planning to buy Mechanical and Electrical Equipment for Buildings book
Is 9th edition good enough or 10th would have more info for ARE?
10th is more expensive than 9th on Amazon L
Thank you.
I have NEEB 5th edition at home and 10th edition at work. Obviously there are many changes but the basic principals remain mostly the same.
Energy conservation is a huge topic but how to achieve this is not entirely spelled out by MEEB.
I think think there are other resources that can supplement an older version of MEEB for what it is worth.
I did not use MEEB much for study, only as a required text at university.
I would consider purchase of ASREAE 90.1-2004. Do not buy a locked pdf version from Thomson however.
If you buy MEEB, from Amazon or another source, look for a used book. They are often actually new, just sold by the publisher to a third party so not to be taxed on inventory. Used can be obtained at substantial discounts.
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Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2008 01:27 am |
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I went and bought the 10th Edition MEEB immediately after my exam as I was sure I failed. By Divine Grace, I passed, so I have a purty and thick book I often beat myself in the head with.
I don't know about 4.0, but one book I'm glad I bought for 3.1 and read is:
Heating, Cooling, and Lighting: Design Methods for Architects
Norbert Lechner
JohnWiley & Sons, 2000
Lechner is in tight with NCARB, and you won't believe this, but I had questions that were word-for-word from Lechner's book.
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" I would consider purchase of ASREAE 90.1-2004. Do not buy a locked pdf version from Thomson however.
If you buy MEEB, from Amazon or another source, look for a used book. They are often actually new, just sold by the publisher to a third party so not to be taxed on inventory. Used can be obtained at substantial discounts."
Stl is on the money with the ASHRAE book, especially if you are planning on doing the LEED thing (one note: 2007 is going to be used for the next LEED upgrade).
Same about Amazon. I got my spanking new 10th ed. MEEB though one of the Amazone re-sellers for $80 with free shipping.
Last edited on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 01:31 am by ironwarrior
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Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2008 01:45 am |
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I think MEEB made the big jump a few editions ago to include sustainabilty. So I think either 9 or 10 would be fine. I agree with Iron Warrior about buying used... I just checked on e-bay and there is a 9th addition there. Whatever you find cheapest.. go for it! I just advise reading it... make the time... it's a bitch.
Good luck..
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Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2008 06:01 am |
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ironwarrior wrote:
Heating, Cooling, and Lighting: Design Methods for Architects
Norbert Lechner
JohnWiley & Sons, 2000
Lechner is in tight with NCARB, and you won't believe this, but I had questions that were word-for-word from Lechner's book.
I have recommended this book to several not only as a study guide but as a valuable resource for your library. I highly recommend this book.
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Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2008 01:06 pm |
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Lechner's "hippieism" got annoying after awhile for me, but one thing: he is a DAMN good writer! Reading his book was like sitting down with your favorite piece of fiction. He is entertaining and informative in is writing.
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Posted: Sun Jun 8th, 2008 06:07 pm |
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| Thanks guys for the recommendation on Lechner... I ordered it!
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 08:03 pm |
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stl-guy and IW,
My Lechner book arrived today. Any tips on which sections to hit hard, skim, avoid, etc... I test in two weeks. I also picked up a copy of Meeb 10th edition and plan on hitting the recommended sections.
Thanks, Spokes
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 04:07 pm |
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Dammit. I gave my book to someone else to use, and I can't find my notes I wrote. AARGH! Stl-guy will probably be able to help more.
I'm not 100% positive, but I seem to remember seeing trombe walls on my test that was straight from Lechner.
Oh, yeah!! The section on temperature with that chart that included humidity.
Skim over his daylighting.
I'm zoned out right now--I know I'll probably remember things a month later.
To be honest, you could feasibly read the entire book in a weekend. It's not a brain-killer like the MEEB and once you start reading it, the pages fly by.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14th, 2008 01:24 am |
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ironwarrior,
You are some kind of modern day super hero. There is no way I could read that whole thing in a weekend. Perhaps (well I just know) I am a slow reader but I am willing to give it a shot. Thanks for the tips and for sticking around after passing this beast.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14th, 2008 10:44 pm |
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Ha-ha!! My wife and mom would say "super-hero of BS" 
I forget that people with commonsense (unlike me--commonsense and me are antithetical!  ) don't waste years on an English degree. I read a lot of crap and have read probably over 2000 books in my life, so reading most of Lechner over a weekend was kinda normal. Ok, me using the word "normal" is questionable.
Seriously though, I couldn't have done it if Lechner wasn't such a good writer. He uses a casual voice that tends to carry you along, and he throws out some sarcasm when things get technical. As technical written material goes, Lechner's book is a standout--I won't be surprised if you get caught up in it.
Another book that I used, which I referred to as "MEEB for Dummies" was:
Mechanical and Electrical Systems in Buildings, 3rd edition, by Richard Janis and William Tao. I thought this was book was cool as hell as it had most of the MEEB diagrams, but it broke the technical mumbo-jumbo into terms even I understood (I R noT smUrt at tYmes).
Good luck on your test! And give us a review of what you thought of Lechner's book.
Oh, yeah, I'll still be hanging around. As a "test by experience" guy, I'm finding out the hard way that my ARE experience isn't quite over as I try to get reciprocity in some states. I think they are wanting my first born and soul with the applications.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 04:27 am |
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Spokes wrote: stl-guy and IW,
My Lechner book arrived today. Any tips on which sections to hit hard, skim, avoid, etc... I test in two weeks. I also picked up a copy of Meeb 10th edition and plan on hitting the recommended sections.
Thanks, Spokes
Good that you got this book.
Understand how sun and shading works, solar properties, etc. Shading is often a requirement rather than providing direct summer sun at noon on the NCARB practice disk.
Understand how wind screening by trees and buildings actually works.
Read the entire book and keep this book as a reference. It is good for your brain and worthwhile for your career.
My comments are mainly applicable to the the Graphic Site planing division but this book is also good for parts of the Pre-Design and Mechanical Divisions.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 04:43 am |
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ironwarrior wrote: Ha-ha!! My wife and mom would say "super-hero of BS"
I forget that people with commonsense (unlike me--commonsense and me are antithetical! ) don't waste years on an English degree. I read a lot of crap and have read probably over 2000 books in my life, so reading most of Lechner over a weekend was kinda normal. Ok, me using the word "normal" is questionable.
Seriously though, I couldn't have done it if Lechner wasn't such a good writer. He uses a casual voice that tends to carry you along, and he throws out some sarcasm when things get technical. As technical written material goes, Lechner's book is a standout--I won't be surprised if you get caught up in it.
Another book that I used, which I referred to as "MEEB for Dummies" was:
Mechanical and Electrical Systems in Buildings, 3rd edition, by Richard Janis and William Tao. I thought this was book was cool as hell as it had most of the MEEB diagrams, but it broke the technical mumbo-jumbo into terms even I understood (I R noT smUrt at tYmes).
Good luck on your test! And give us a review of what you thought of Lechner's book.
Oh, yeah, I'll still be hanging around. As a "test by experience" guy, I'm finding out the hard way that my ARE experience isn't quite over as I try to get reciprocity in some states. I think they are wanting my first born and soul with the applications.
Interesting that you mention a book by William Tao. I work extensively with his company in St. Louis. Of all LEED accredited projects in the country, to date, their 60 person engineering firm is responsible for about 2%. I think that is an impressive track record for a small firm. I am presently engaged with Wm. Tao on two major LEED projects that we will seek at least Silver certification.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 08:04 pm |
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ironwarrior wrote: Good luck on your test! And give us a review of what you thought of Lechner's book.
As far as textbooks go this one is GREAT. As IW mentioned it's an easy read. I can say from experience (after taking the exam) their is a reason it's on the recommended reading list. I wish I had more time to read more of it before I took my test (or if I was a super hero like IW).
Thanks again guys for the recommendation. I even sat down Sunday (post exam) and glanced at it.
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