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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 07:37 pm |
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Just got back from exam. I knew it was gonna be a tough one but it turned out a bit tougher still. As for whether I passed, it could go either way. Only reason I'm posting is a bit of abstract advice, just to encourage folks to go into this one knowing there's likely gonna be a bunch of questions, calculations and terminology you have very little or no idea or have never encountered before (I did the Ballast quizzes, tests, the ArchiFlash cards and the Kaplan CD in addition to all the reading). Take a deep breath, though --alot of you you may be able to figure out by inference and/or using some of the reference calculations, etc. More than any of the other multiple choices I've taken, this one was important to be well rested and lucid during the exam itself.
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LibraLogic
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 07:49 pm |
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FrankLloydWrong wrote: Just got back from exam. I knew it was gonna be a tough one but it turned out a bit tougher still. As for whether I passed, it could go either way. Only reason I'm posting is a bit of abstract advice, just to encourage folks to go into this one knowing there's likely gonna be a bunch of questions, calculations and terminology you have very little or no idea or have never encountered before (I did the Ballast quizzes, tests, the ArchiFlash cards and the Kaplan CD in addition to all the reading). Take a deep breath, though --alot of you you may be able to figure out by inference and/or using some of the reference calculations, etc. More than any of the other multiple choices I've taken, this one was important to be well rested and lucid during the exam itself.
Hi Frank....would you mind expanding on "alot of you you may be able to figure out by inference and/or using some of the reference calculations"
Would you say the unforeseen "questions, calculations and terminology" were directly related to tests topics (mech/elec/acoust/convey/firecodes/history/environmental)....or did they veer off into somewhat unrelated subjects? If not, I would assume its just level of detail within the topics provided.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 07:53 pm |
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 07:58 pm |
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hi LibraLogic. yeah i'd say the topics were related, just in-depth. sure, there were a couple times i was like "darnit i read about that i just can't remember", but just more often it was "gosh, for all the sources and stuff i read, i sure as heck never came across that term". but the point is that by studying you have a base of knowledge you may be able to figure it out anyway. hope that makes sense --not to dole out too much advice like i'm some sort of MEP wizard, we'll see if i passed or not.
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LibraLogic
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 08:15 pm |
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Ok thanks. Well...looks like those type of reactions will be inevitable unless 1. we have a photographic memory to the "not limited to" 16 publications recommended by NCARB, or 2. we are an extensively involved engineers specializing in 7+/- major trades.
Ive noted the references you studied....Im curious how helpful did you think the Kaplan CD test bank was? Im considering it purchasing it. Also, was any of your references more useful than others? Thanks for your input.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 08:19 pm |
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FrankLloydWrong wrote: hi LibraLogic. yeah i'd say the topics were related, just in-depth. sure, there were a couple times i was like "darnit i read about that i just can't remember", but just more often it was "gosh, for all the sources and stuff i read, i sure as heck never came across that term". but the point is that by studying you have a base of knowledge you may be able to figure it out anyway. hope that makes sense --not to dole out too much advice like i'm some sort of MEP wizard, we'll see if i passed or not.
Interesting. Sounds like you just described my PD exam from earlier this year. Thanks for the heads up and best of luck.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 08:52 pm |
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Am taking the exam tommorrow-
How many questions are about the calculations - there are sooo many my brain is starting to freeze overf and the calc are running inot each other - ie for heating load calcs and sun calcs
Any thought on how to keep them straight????????????
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LibraLogic
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 08:59 pm |
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Hey Max...Not that you asked for my two cents, but just from my readings and interest directly related to your concern; there are quite a few of post-test takers that have expressed the calculations were simplistic, and the formulas were provided if you dont have the basic ones remembered. I came into the ME going heavy on the calcs...then when the amount of equations/variables/topics increased....I relied more on concept than equations; especially considering the formulas were provided on the exam.
But, NCARB's a moving target...lets see how Franks experience was.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 09:24 pm |
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thank you thank you thank you
I have just joined the forum and you are my first response
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 09:24 pm |
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I'd read some posts that said the calcs weren't too complicated. I'd agree w/ that, certainly in terms of mathmatics and such. I was somewhat surprised, though, that there were as many as 3 or 4 calcs questions that were rather unlike any I'd done on the practice exams --but like, I said, I was able to figure them out, it just required some deductive reasoning or something.
The Kaplan CD was the only Kaplan I used. By the time I got burned out straight-up studying it was sortof easier to just point-and-click practice test w/ the CD, so it was useful for that. But it might be that neither the Kaplan questions nor the Ballast questions were quite as involved as the exam itself.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 09:32 pm |
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Max....no problem. This forum is a very valuable asset, and has guided me throughout any entangles I come across in my studies. The people here are all very generous with sharing info, and when everybody participates in the forum, it becomes an invaluable tool for exam preparation.
Frank....thank you for the response. Interesting statistic about more in-depth than the Ballast and/or Kaplan questions. Intimidating too! Good to know though.
It seems so easy to skim the surface of these topics for a general understanding, and check off that subject. But I think by reading between the lines of your feedback, its pretty clear you need quite a grip on each subject to play this game....(sigh)
Back to the books....
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 11:06 pm |
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I tested today as well (I'll post a responce to it a little later...) and I would agree that all the calc were easy to figure out. The equations are given to you and the explanations of the variables in each equation is also given to you (i.e. it will say I=V/R where I = current, V= voltage, and R= resistance). So you dont need to memorize any of that. You do need to know which equation to use when though.
I was VERY shocked at how many calculation based quesitons I had. Probably a solid 1/3 of the test was calculations of some sort. While not hard, it makes time very pressed  . There were two that took me a while to figure out what they were asking and I didnt get enough time to really focus on figuring them out, so I took a logical guess. I finished with 12 minutes to review my "marked questions." I blame this mostly on the fact I had so many calcs to do.
Dont forget, starting tomorrow (July 1) you will have to use the calculator provided on the screen. It's the EXACT SAME CALCULATOR as the basic Microsoft Windows calculator.)
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 12:48 am |
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| I took the test today as well, and agree with both FrankLloydWrong and Blewbe. After the first 20 questions, I was asking myself "Did they give me the wrong test"?? Very few of the questions resembled anything I had studied. I think that was true of the PreDesign exam as well, and it is understandable. NCARB wants to test your base of knowledge and problem solving skills, not your ability to study and take tests. As FrankLloydWrong stated, even though there was a plethora of questions I had not seen before, most of them I was able to deduce and answer (correctly I hope?) based on a general knowledge of the concepts, and on my overall base of years of study and practice. The exam I took was not too heavy in calculations, maybe 2-3 in each area (heat gain, acoustics, lighting). The formulas are provided, but as stated, you have to remember which formula to use. There was a lot of questions which required simple math, but they do take up time. On all of my previous tests, I had plenty of time to review each question at least twice. Today I only managed to answer all the questions, and review the first 50 a second time before my time ran out. As most of you know, you rarely come out of a test feeling confident that you passed, and I certainly don't feel that way after this one. I think the best way for to put it is....I feel as certain that I passed as I feel certain that I failed. I'd call it 50/50, so now its just a waiting game for the pass/fail letter to arrive. Last edited on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 12:49 am by mkinsel
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 03:16 pm |
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Thank you all who took the exam for writing in your summaries - I tackle this beast tomorrow, and my focus for this evening is going to be completely different from what I had planned. My coworker took this exam two months ago and had almost no calcs, so I have been glazing over them...guess I will need to review the formulas more closely!
Can't wait until that OMG what-just-happened feeling tomorrow when I walk out...I always feel like half the questions are just trying to screw with your brain instead of testing knowledge. I remember laughing out loud at a WTF question on my GS exam, convinced I would be back in six months...and then passing. I feel like I prepared more for this exam than any other, but I doubt that will make much of a difference tomorrow 
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 05:07 pm |
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LibraLogic wrote: Ok thanks. Well...looks like those type of reactions will be inevitable unless 1. we have a photographic memory to the "not limited to" 16 publications recommended by NCARB, or 2. we are an extensively involved engineers specializing in 7+/- major trades.
Ive noted the references you studied....Im curious how helpful did you think the Kaplan CD test bank was? Im considering it purchasing it. Also, was any of your references more useful than others? Thanks for your input.
Hey Logic,
I'd say the Kaplan CD test bank is a good reference... plus it simulates how you'll actually be testing. However, there are a limited amount of questions they have for each division and I think a total of 157 questions for all of MEP.
The big CAUTION I have to make is that the editors of the software didn't do a great job, meaning on some of the questions if the right answer was C, and that is what you selected, the program would say it was wrong, then in the explaination go on to tell you why C WAS the correct answer... things like that can be frustrating.
Good luck again.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 05:26 pm |
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Ok, thanks Arch...based on that, Ill order it. Looks like I need rush delivery too....ugh
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 02:34 am |
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9before30 wrote: Thank you all who took the exam for writing in your summaries - I tackle this beast tomorrow, and my focus for this evening is going to be completely different from what I had planned. My coworker took this exam two months ago and had almost no calcs, so I have been glazing over them...guess I will need to review the formulas more closely!
Can't wait until that OMG what-just-happened feeling tomorrow when I walk out...I always feel like half the questions are just trying to screw with your brain instead of testing knowledge. I remember laughing out loud at a WTF question on my GS exam, convinced I would be back in six months...and then passing. I feel like I prepared more for this exam than any other, but I doubt that will make much of a difference tomorrow
9BY30,
Speak from my experience yesterday....
make sure to know formulas to use (don't have to memorize them all since they will provide in the reference). Definitely, work fast on your easy ones and move on quickly so you have time to review your calculations.
Good luck.
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 04:02 pm |
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OK folks we are back from the exam!!!!!!
We have info!
There were approx 10 -12 calcs but you do have the formulas provided so it wasnt that bad- I would say to please allow enough time to do them as you never get them right the first time!- there were several questions about elevators and a small amount of questions on acoustics that was surprising. The questions emphasized lighting and mechanical. Also code questions were definitely obscure but there.
I can honestly say that I have no idea how I did. It could go either way. We could have prepared better - We only used the Kaplan study guides but we also went to a study review course for 2 days which was very helpful. I feel that I guessed alot and knew some. Deductive reasoning is very important so use it if you got it!
In addition, the new calculator is a pain in the *** . It is not efficient at all and when pressing on the numbers it sticks.
It is very weird in that the questions were general yet specific at times - So it difficult to say what to emphasize in studying. I definitely do not understand how this is testing my knowledge it is more like a test in my gambling ability. Which I definitely do not have a poker face.
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 04:08 pm |
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Hi max...thanks for the feedback.
Ill probably have more questions for you, but off the bat....would you say the code questions pertained mostly to ada/plumbing fixtures? ie urinal/toilet heights...
Also...would you mind expanding a bit on type of lighting/mechanical questions at all?
Anything would help....
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 05:49 pm |
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OK, just finished this monster...
LibraLogic - I can't speak for max3, but I can say that my exam was heavy (HEAVY) on lighting all over the board, minimal on HVAC systems & comfort, and nonexistant on ADA-related code. Two consecutive history questions - on buildings that are familiar, but questions that make you wonder if you have ever actually seen a picture of one of the building (i.e. very obscure)
Lots of calculations like others have said, and my reference seemed lacking in the electrical-formula department (seriously, only one formula provided for electrical) so if you mix up Ohm's law like I do, memorize these 
I studied all of Ballast, Ching & Kaplan (including flash cards & practice questions), skimmed through MEEB, and I think even if I had read MEEB thoroughly I still would have been thrown off by 40% of the questions. Feel about as positive as I ever do after these things - guess I'll find out in a few weeks if my straight-A run is over!
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 07:22 pm |
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9before30....Im absorbing it all.
Go fiqure because I just cant get excited about lighting at all...too many similar terms....luminance, illuminance, luster, lux, flux, reflection, refraction, diffraction, fractoluminescence, phosphorescence, chemoluminescence, cathodoluminescence....
Not to mention the twenty-step calculations....
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 08:10 pm |
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LibraLogic wrote: 9before30....Im absorbing it all.
Go fiqure because I just cant get excited about lighting at all...too many similar terms....luminance, illuminance, luster, lux, flux, reflection, refraction, diffraction, fractoluminescence, phosphorescence, chemoluminescence, cathodoluminescence....
Not to mention the twenty-step calculations....
I was in the same boat, lighting was my weakness with all those random terms (maybe it's a libra thing?) but I would advise focusing more on the actual fixtures/bulbs and less on the scientific side of it (the reference material actually helps a little with those terms - a bright spot for me this morning!)
The more I think about it, the more I realize that the exam felt relevant to what we actually do - all the time I was studying, I was cursing the subject matter (isn't this why we hire engineers??) but the content of the questions takes everything you study and forces you to relate it to how we would specify the systems in the building. As much as I hate to admit it, I am starting to see the use in learning all this...
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Ok..I appreciate the tip. Ive just spent a few hours going over ALL the bulb-type catagories (Incandescent, Flourescent, HID, Gas Discharge, Electric, LED)....and all there subcatagories (3-7 types under each catagory). This got involved with gases uses, penning mixtures, gramme machine along with CRI, efficacy, longevity, cathode types for each type of bulb.......it was pretty interesting afterall.
But as far as fixtures....from the ones Ive seen they are mostly self-explanatory eh? Recessed/pendant/track/down/spot/exit.....Or did you find some that were far from any of the avaiable answers on the exam?
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LibraLogic wrote:
Ok..I appreciate the tip. Ive just spent a few hours going over ALL the bulb-type catagories (Incandescent, Flourescent, HID, Gas Discharge, Electric, LED)....and all there subcatagories (3-7 types under each catagory). This got involved with gases uses, penning mixtures, gramme machine along with CRI, efficacy, longevity, cathode types for each type of bulb.......it was pretty interesting afterall.
But as far as fixtures....from the ones Ive seen they are mostly self-explanatory eh? Recessed/pendant/track/down/spot/exit.....Or did you find some that were far from any of the avaiable answers on the exam?
Although I took the 4.0 exam (i think the multiple choice portion is similar to the 3.1 now), I would not get too involved with the intricacies of the different fixtures, just be familiar with the concepts of the different types of bulbs and their CRI calues (ie. incandescent versus sodium lighting) on a grneral scale. BUT you should know all the lighting calcs (zonal cavity).
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 09:52 pm |
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Yes to the code question know your urinal and toilet allowances or how to read the graph-
know your fire code information in reference to distances for smoke detectors and fire egess , sprinkler differences etc.
Also lighting - know the lamp differnces and how to configure the exterior sun condition versus the interior condition
Mechanical - know your different systems water vs air single loop, double, multi-air etc. Understand in concept what fits best for applications-
let me think more.
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Thanks max....mana-up for you.
This level of detail helps alot.
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