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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 02:45 pm |
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is anyone who has taken the test recently getting questions on the CSI masterformat where they have to know the general divisions? I hate wasting my time on memorizing them (especially when they're not current and I can use the information in practice) if it's not going to be on there....
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 03:07 pm |
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It doesnt hurt to review them... you never know what questions you will get, and it doesnt take as long as you think.
I used an acronym to remember the order/divisions: (Good Students Can Memorize Material When Teachers Demand, F Students Eventually Fail, Simply Cause Many Errors). Some people like it, some dont... but it's there if you want to use it.
I wouldnt take the time to memorize each product that would fall under each division, but you should at least know the general stuff (i.e. Wood Doors goes under Doors/Windows, not Wood Products).
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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yeah, i used to know an acronym like that. it just seems silly if the 16 divs are not current anymore, you know? why study/test material that doesn't exist?
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BlewBe
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 09:15 pm |
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wither3d wrote: why study/test material that doesn't exist?
Because it can still be asked until the ARE transitions into the new format... and most of us like to know the answers to questions on tests so that we pass them. 
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 10:07 pm |
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The questions do still exist. I just took an mc test and had a couple.
Anyway it seems that the questions for which knowing divisions is necessary are all questions where the answer is the same in both the old and new CSI systems, so what you're being tested on does still exist as a system too.
Divisions 1 and 3-14 are basically the same in both systems. The new 40-division system mostly just breaks out what used to be in 15 and 16 into a lot of new divisions. Also in the 40-section system a bunch of the sections have nothing in them - they're reserved for future use.
The only questions that could really pose any problem due to the switchover would have to do with section 2 (used to be Site Construction, in the 40-section system it's Existing Conditions.) I doubt you'll get any questions for which that change matters.Last edited on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 10:08 pm by BetterMousetrap
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wither3d
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 03:14 pm |
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yeah, i took it yesterday. i had a couple CSI questions including one that really tried to trick you. and on some you needed to know the number and on others the material. so, yeah.....
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 12:18 am |
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wither3d wrote: yeah, i took it yesterday. i had a couple CSI questions including one that really tried to trick you. and on some you needed to know the number and on others the material. so, yeah..... How could a CSI-related question trick you?
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 12:21 am |
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it didn't trick me, it was set up in a way trick with wording.
i can't actaully be any more specific without telling you the question though.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 04:00 pm |
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Can someone please explain the difference between MasterFormat and MasterSpec?
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 06:40 pm |
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| Masterformat is the format itself. Masterspec is software you can edit to create spec sections
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 02:28 am |
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I know this is an old post, but I just searched for topics on CSI divisions... anyways.. I just want to share an acronym I'm using to remember the first 14 divisions of the MasterFormat 2004 Edition. The act of coming up with an acronym helped me to memorize these first divisions. Whether you need to remember these for the test or not, the peice of mind of at least having the first few divisions down helps a little. Now I just need an acronym for divisions 20-49...
"Purposely, Great Elephants & Crocodiles are Massive Monsters With Tusks Or Fangs Specifically Efficient For Stabbing Critters"
00-Procurement and Contracting requirements
01-General Requirements
02-Existing Conditions
03-Concrete
04-Masonry
05-Metals
06-Wood, Plastics, & Composites
07-Thermal & Moisture Protection
08-Openings
09-Finishes
10-Specialties
11-Equipment
12-Furnishings
13-Special Construction
14-Conveying Equipment
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 10:46 am |
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maxmin wrote: "Purposely, Great Elephants & Crocodiles are Massive Monsters With Tusks Or Fangs Specifically Efficient For Stabbing Critters" So how do you tell the difference between elephants & efficient, massive and monsters, specifically & stabbing, crocodiles & critters?
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 09:34 pm |
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For me, acronyms help ONLY a LITTLE, just enough to remember the order of a list. The rest is up to the noggin. But I think what helps more-so is the basic understanding that the facility construction subgroup is organized in the order that materials would be applied to construction on a job site. Concrete for foundation would be needed before Conveying equipment (i.e. elevators and escalators) can be installed, Finishes would need to be applied before Furnishings can be brought in, Specialties (i.e. louvres, grills, corner, guards, all those miscellaneous finishes) would likely come after finishes, where as Special construction is more like furnishings or bigger pieces of equipment, and in turn would be installed or placed after the specialties. Masonry and Metal seems like it could almost be a tie as to which one would be needed first for construction, but for instance Masonry may be needed to construct a load bearing wall that a steel beam would rest on. I mean, there's probably instances when the reverse would be necessary.. but for purposes of remembering the order of the divisions, I think that example might make sense.
Coach, this post became much longer than I anticipated.. but thanks for the challenge. Got me thinkin'  Last edited on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 09:34 pm by maxmin
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Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 12:27 am |
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What you just described is exactly how I kept things straight. Having a general framework makes it easier to remember the nuances within.
It also helped working day in and day out with a set of Sweets sitting on the shelf next to me.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 02:41 pm |
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It also helped working day in and day out with a set of Sweets sitting on the shelf next to me.
That, to me, was the key to most of the CSI questions. The answers to most of the CSI questions were right on the spines of Sweets.
But when I suggested reading the spines of Sweets in another thread I unleashed a bunch of sarcasm.
http://www.areforum.org/forums/view_topic.php?id=44458&forum_id
Also actually opening Sweets from time to time and doing a little product research helped me with some other material, like fire ratings for doors that came up on at least three of my test divisions, but I know better than to suggest that anybody else ever open a Sweets catalog again...
In another thread it was stated that they're only useful for holding down models while gluing.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 01:32 am |
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| Well, times have changed. When I was "living" with Sweets there was no internet.
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