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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 04:26 pm |
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clearance conflicts
I have read in the program and on this forum that there should be at least 3' of clearance between all elements of furniture including behind the chairs at tables. Dorf says this as well. But if you read the ALS BP guide, there are diagrams showing the 3' clearance from the back of the table (see page 1 of attached). I've seen posts that discuss the nuances of this requirement depends on whether there is furniture behind the chair or the chair is in a conference room. What's the consensus??
Also, both Dorf and ALS show a 5' turning radius completely overlaps the swing of the door--quite a bit more than 1' (see pages 2 & 3 of attached). People have said the turning clearance should be independent of the maneuvering clearances at doors. Obviously, Dorf and ALS disagree with this. Any clarification would be appreciated, especially from prof dorf.
Turning radius:
http://www.areforum.org/forums/view_topic.php?id=13667&forum_id=8&highlight=turning+radius+in+interior+layout
http://www.areforum.org/forums/view_topic.php?id=13667&forum_id=8&highlight=turning+radius+in+interior+layout
3' clearance:
http://www.areforum.org/forums/view_topic.php?id=11753&forum_id=8&highlight=3%27+behind+chairs
http://www.areforum.org/forums/view_topic.php?id=1695&forum_id=8&highlight=3%27+behind+chairs
http://www.areforum.org/forums/view_topic.php?id=12420&forum_id=8&highlight=3%27+behind+chairs
Messing up on this can be quite detrimental so I'd like to know if I have space to use for my layout. Anyone have ideas about these items?
Attachment: clearances.pdf (Downloaded 182 times)
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 05:15 pm |
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The ALS/Kaplan guides have only been minimally updated since the 1980s. For the multiple choice exams this hardly matters at all. But for the graphics exams it's a big problem and they're not known as one of the better study sources for these exams. In some cases the information they give (for instance related to parallel parking on the Site Planning exam) is not only advice that should not be followed, but isn't even possible to execute with the current software!
Anyway, the furniture clearances that Prof. Dorf advises - and that are subsequently the standard advice on this forum - are the safer ones, and have the advantage of being proven-in-the-field by many recent test-takers.
Regarding overlapping door clearances and turning radii: I don't think that Prof. Dorf currently recommends overlapping the door's actual swing with anything.
Many of us here believe - based on the fact that the referenced accessibility standard, according to NCARB (in the ARE Guidelines booklet), is ANSI A117.0 1998 - that the door clearances can overlap other clearances and/or the turning circle by up to a foot - though in no case should the door's actual swing be overlapped.
There are a healthy number of reports from people who did the 1' overlaps on their test - sometimes in multiple instances - and passed.
With regard to your attached .pdf: in the ALS example there is plenty of room in each room for the 5' turning radius to occur away from the door swing. The actual placement of the circles on the plan is misleading - but irrelevant. Remember that the circles themselves are sketch elements and not counted in any way in the grading of the test. What's important is that the space for the circle exists somewhere in the room, outside of the door swings. But it doesn't matter if you draw it.
About the Prof. Dorf page: that one circle in the conf. room is strange. Is this a recent edition of his materials? I've occasionally read other posts in which people have questioned examples in his books and he's replied that these are not current editions and he wouldn't advise the same thing anymore.
In any case I think it would be safer to have the 5' circle not overlap the door's swing.Last edited on Fri Sep 29th, 2006 05:28 pm by Kevin67
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 05:27 pm |
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thanks for your response.
but if Prof Dorf is the status quo, why then in his "passing" example on page 3 is there a 5' turning circle coincident with the door swing in the conference room?
Last edited on Fri Sep 29th, 2006 05:27 pm by babybuggs
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 05:29 pm |
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Again: is it in the most recent edition? If not, see my post above.
If yes: email Prof. Dorf and ask him - only he can say. The overlap that he shows is not compliant with ANSI A177.0 1998.
A few other things to consider:
1. Over time this forum tends to adopt the most conservative, stringent approaches possible to critiquing the vignettes, because everytime a new guideline is introduced it tends to be picked up as a hard-and-fast rule. So basically, if you can draw up a solutin that more or less passes muster on this forum then you should have a good idea that you'll do ok on the exam. In reality it seems that many of the things that are regarded as mistakes on the forum are only small downgrades. For example: although I myself tend to be very critical of various small "mistakes" in posted vignettes, I committed at least 4 of these mistakes on my own test and passed.
2. Nobody knows for sure what NCARB is downgrading or not. Prof. Dorf has some experience with NCARB but has stated himself that he's unable to get answers from them on some of his own questions these day. So to a certain extent the guidelines that are suggested on this forum - and in other study sources - are distilled from experience. Thus there's a trial-and-error process that results in a very good set of information - but by no means can any of us say we know exactly what NCARB is really looking for...
In general since the forum rules are more "strict" than any other study source out there, following them will never hurt you - unless you just can't follow them all in the allotted time. If you find yourself in that situation on the test then don't despair - because it seems that you can make a collection of small mistakes and still pass.Last edited on Fri Sep 29th, 2006 06:13 pm by Kevin67
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 06:21 pm |
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cool beans. I think that's fair. I was hoping if I had leeway on the 3' and 5' turning clearances that I would have that much more flexibility on the exam....which would be sweet.
But I gather everyone just has to use their better judgement. Will update. Test is in the morning.
Last edited on Fri Sep 29th, 2006 06:21 pm by babybuggs
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