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Posted: Thu Dec 13th, 2007 06:36 pm |
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knobs wrote: 2 reasons i don't like the snap method
there is no way to verify it when you are done without measuring true dat
it also avoids the move/adjust tool that requires you to zoom in yeah, got to be done in zoom, i admit so you pick up just the end of the railing, if you are not careful you move the whole railing instead of just stretching the end.
honestly, i've never used the sketch tools for railings. i'm always moving junk around so much, i don't want to move the sketch junk too...
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Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 06:08 am |
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You know, you can verify this as you go - sort of. Look to see at the botttom what your measurement is, as you cross the stairs/landing line. Add 3". You're golden.
I'm taking this bad boy tomorrow and I do have one question that I just realized. The very last line of the code states (I'm on a mac and don't have my gf's pc on right now)
that if there is a AOR you need to maintain a clear 48" between any handrails on stairs where a AOR exists (in the real world this is so a fireman can bring down the person normally in a wheelchair.) - which would mean that, essentially, you would never have a stair similar to the NCARB training software that is less than 56" wide - or am I reading something into this on the night of my exam so that I have something to worry about.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 01:23 pm |
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crow- wrote: You know, you can verify this as you go - sort of. Look to see at the botttom what your measurement is, as you cross the stairs/landing line. Add 3". You're golden.
I'm taking this bad boy tomorrow and I do have one question that I just realized. The very last line of the code states (I'm on a mac and don't have my gf's pc on right now)
that if there is a AOR you need to maintain a clear 48" between any handrails on stairs where a AOR exists (in the real world this is so a fireman can bring down the person normally in a wheelchair.) - which would mean that, essentially, you would never have a stair similar to the NCARB training software that is less than 56" wide - or am I reading something into this on the night of my exam so that I have something to worry about. IMO don't overthink it. Follow code/program to the letter. Set aside your real world experience...you'll be in NCARB world tomorrow. I'll be there with you...I'm taking test tomorrow too! My game plan for tomorrow is to try and relax, not rush, and VERY CAREFULLY read and note all instructions, codes, programs, etc. I'm pretty fast with the software so I want to get all my ducks in a row before committing to a solution...not too worried about the clock running out. Biggest time waster will be missing some important piece of info upfront and having to change/move junk around. Best of luck to you tomorrow!
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Posted: Tue Dec 25th, 2007 03:08 am |
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| DOES THIS NEED TO BE SO COMPLICATED? YOU EYES SHOULD BE ENOUGH!
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 04:38 am |
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Why are both of you yelling?
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Posted: Tue Jan 29th, 2008 05:56 am |
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Thanks for the 3-snap trick. I tried that today when practicing and it really sped up my solution. I'm sure that will be VERY helpful tommorow when I write.
You are all so helpful!
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 10:08 am |
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I'm seeing 1-1/2" and 2" reqs called out for railing spacing on some of these posts. Where are these numbers coming from? I don't see anything about it in the Program/Code.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 04:47 am |
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2" handrail with a max encroachment of 4" into stairs means 2" space; 1 1/2" spacing is min clear distance for handrail to WALL, although I haven't seen NCARB code reference to this.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 03:00 am |
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| The graphics program isn't the greatest. Almost as annoying as working in Revit!
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Posted: Sat May 24th, 2008 09:34 pm |
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connski
I couldn't agree more.
First of all, we have completely abaondoned (no- rejected!) the premise that an architect/draftsman would put style into the drawings themselves. (formerly a matter of great professional pride)
We must now learn various software platforms if we move from office to office and keep abreast of all the graphics and icon changes in each release of the software if we stay at one firm. Ideally, all drawing should look like they are purely the result of inner workings of Core2 Duo. Ideally you would never know who in the office had drawn each lame and anemic-appearing drawing. We can't even make wall sections or details with a strong cut-line it actually indicate WHAT is being cut in the detail and what is background. This is now regarded as completely secondary.
And, even if we have spend thousands of hours mastering AutoCAD, MicroStaion, Data Cad or whatever, we must test on the most primitaive F-Flintstone CAD.
I find that for these graphic sections, the vast majority of the effort is in overcoming the tremendously primitive & cumbersome software.
think:
No Polyline
No Mirror
No Copy (WTF!!!???????)
No Offset (?!)
No dynamic Zoom
No Snap
No numeric input
Personally, I think we should just take the Nursing Exam or the CPA exam, for all this relates to our profession.
If I could do the exam on AutoCAD, I'd take all 3 on one day!
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 06:14 am |
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Flintstone CAD... that is AWESOME, blackdog! 
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 02:07 am |
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Yeah funny...but not really.
Two more to go then I'll never think about it again for the rest of my life.
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 10:42 pm |
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i don't get the reasoning behind not having a "copy" command in this program....or a pan feature.......that whole zoom in-zoom out thing is ridiculous!!!
osnaps would be nice, too...
i get that they can't tailor it to a proprietary software, but every single drafting program out there has these functions!!!
oh well...just another software to add to the ole' resume.............or not......
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 12:51 pm |
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I used to berate this program with a vengence. Over time I came to realize that my frustration was rooted in my preference, baked in over years of CAD program use, for commands, etc. that had become second nature to me.
The program was obviously an attempt, however lame, to "level" the playing field for those who had no particular CAD expertise (is there anyone out there who doesn't have CAD expertise these days??).
You gotta remember, we could still be taking this thing with paper and pencil. That would be a huge advantage to certain "old schoolers" at the expense of many who might not even know that a drafting board used to be for something other than a throw space. The telling evidence of that is the tutorial that demonstrates how to use a mouse for God's sake!
I have to admit, the program is elegantly frustrating.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 01:40 am |
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| One quick question. If the ramp or the stair need to be 44" wide per code, is this the clear width. So the width of the stair with the railings it is 44+4+4=52?
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 01:59 am |
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Depends on the program... Most of the ones in the practice exams state that you are allowed to encroach on the 44" width 4" for the rails... The other determining factor to check is the A.O.R. requirements - sometimes those dictate the required clear width as 44", which would result in the wider stair.
Good luck!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 02:53 am |
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NewVision wrote: The program was obviously an attempt, however lame, to "level" the playing field for those who had no particular CAD expertise (is there anyone out there who doesn't have CAD expertise these days??).
NewVision-
But this is like saying to the person taking nursing exam, we will test you on how well you disassemble and reassemble a 1972 VW pancake engine with the use of only one hand and a Kmart socket set.
Or Asking a carpenter to show his competency by building a door frame using only a pocket knife, a rock and a tire iron...
There are basic tools, as professionals, we all use. Why strip someone of those tools and add a kludge-kit when asking them to prove competency?
Level playing field if everyone has to do the same thing...but it's ridiculous.
OK, that's my rant...and I'm sticking to it!
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Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 04:25 pm |
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Oh Blackdogbite, you gave me a much needed laugh on this morning of my BT exam, thanks!!! And totally appropriate analogies...
I use the "3-click" method, then zoom in tight to double check. I just make sure the gap between the railing and the edge is the same as the width of the railing, and move on. I do still use 12" sketch circles for the extensions though.
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Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 09:10 pm |
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NewVision wrote: I used to berate this program with a vengence. Over time I came to realize that my frustration was rooted in my preference, baked in over years of CAD program use, for commands, etc. that had become second nature to me.
The program was obviously an attempt, however lame, to "level" the playing field for those who had no particular CAD expertise (is there anyone out there who doesn't have CAD expertise these days??). That's not exactly correct. The purpose of the NCARB software is to level the field for those using different cad programs.
You gotta remember, we could still be taking this thing with paper and pencil. That would be a huge advantage to certain "old schoolers" at the expense of many who might not even know that a drafting board used to be for something other than a throw space. The telling evidence of that is the tutorial that demonstrates how to use a mouse for God's sake! The computer exam is indeed infinitely easier than the paper exam and I have no doubt that id the software were on par with commercial cad, the current exam would be much more difficult. The fact that most passing candidates report finishing within 2.5 hours is a good indication that the software is more than adequate... AND, the exam is easy.
I have to admit, the program is elegantly frustrating. I had the same frustrations and still do. The biggest being the fact that the scroll isn't used and there is no mirror command. But I must say that I came to like the simplicity of the software. At the risk of being hit with tomatoes, I think the software is the only thing NCARB has gotten right... Or at least close to right.
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 03:23 am |
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| Do you have to be that fussy about railing locations? I will try the trick though, from what I have just read most finish early. At least that's been the way so far with multiple guess exams.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 03:28 pm |
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I think its about the left brain skills but not the right brain skills. In other words the rational, programmatic skills, but not the intuitive, spatial skills.
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 01:59 am |
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Coach wrote: . At the risk of being hit with tomatoes, I think the software is the only thing NCARB has gotten right...
I throw tomatoes in your general direction!
Yeah- I too have been using the click-a-pixel method and it seems to be fine. Once you click off 12 for the extension, the one on the other side is simpler because you can use the long crosshairs to align with the existing termination.
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 06:15 am |
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blackdogbite wrote: Coach wrote: . At the risk of being hit with tomatoes, I think the software is the only thing NCARB has gotten right...
I throw tomatoes in your general direction!
You'll come to see the light. Yeah- I too have been using the click-a-pixel method and it seems to be fine. Once you click off 12 for the extension, the one on the other side is simpler because you can use the long crosshairs to align with the existing termination. For extensions, the fastest way for me was to place the rail without regard for the length, stretch to the edge in question (ramp or riser), note the length, then continue to stretch until it's 12" longer than the initially noted length.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 08:45 pm |
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| For what its worth, the 3"x3" box method for drawing rails is working good over here.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 03:12 am |
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It seems that most are not drawing "returns" on handrails, where a single rail terminates at wall - you know the return handrail that goes to wall, yet its usually detailed for a 1/4' gap- do we need to draw these returns? they would essentially be 4" pieces of railing. Do we need to draw the returns?
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 07:38 pm |
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2testsleft wrote: Do we need to draw the returns? NO
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 03:05 am |
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--FAIAL-- wrote: For what its worth, the 3"x3" box method for drawing rails is working good over here.
This method is by far the most effective use of your time. When you don't have to think about how to draw the rails, but about where to draw them then you are making the best use of your time.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 01:24 am |
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| Ok I think I found a little trick, maybe it's been discussed. Using the sketch tool-drawing a 4"x4" rectangle (square) and placing it in the corners which the rails must turn, and the rails are easy to snap into place. I also find I have to move the landings away cause I can't adjust the railings, it always selects the landings themselves...
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 01:44 am |
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I resisted the snap method of the original post in this thread for a while. Then I tried it and found it to be very fast.
You can either snap to draw or just draw and snap in position. I preferred the latter.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 06:39 pm |
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| I have been using a similar trick, instead of stretching the railing for 12” extension, I simply draw another 12”. I found it faster coz you don’t need to check the overall dimension of the stair treads, and avoiding the problem of accidentally moving other overlapped parts, graphicly, it makes more sense too as the railing extension is honrizontal.
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