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 Posted: Mon Sep 18th, 2006 08:07 pm

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You must stick to the NCARB code, not any building codes that you are previously familiar with.  Also be aware that the code may change from the practice program to your test.

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 Posted: Mon Sep 18th, 2006 08:10 pm

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Gaudi wrote: Ok, now I have a question:

It says clear width of ramp to be 36 inches, and I have been reading 44" in this forum?

Doors shall not reduce the clear width to less than 42", that means if a door opens into a ramp it is 36 + 42 = 78"=6'8" instead do the 60" correct?


You must stick to the NCARB code, not any building codes that you are previously familiar with.  Also be aware that the code may change from the practice program to your test.

Also, if you have questions not directly related to the post topic you are in, it's best to post a new topic outside of the thread. :)

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 Posted: Mon Sep 18th, 2006 08:11 pm

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Well, that is good than. Than I don't have to worry about the code at all!

I will just read what they give me and usually they give you everything you need right?

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 Posted: Mon Sep 18th, 2006 08:23 pm

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Hi Gaudi,
Thanks, so I understand that both our model codes specifie handrails+below construction, cool! I still believe that ncarb's code for accessibility ramp should be more specific for this topic. (that is where I get frustrated with theese exams!, it is like site planning, in the site design vignette,  the bldg entrances where they canopy or a sort of entrance slab?)

Anyway, for your questions. The 44'' width come from the  accessibility-ramp vignette code. And In Professor Dorf book p. T-24, it is specified that (only for the accessibility ramp vignette) ''Doors swings do not obstruct stair or ramp travel''. I guess that this means no door swings interferring with  width requirements.

It seems to be different in the stair design vignette, there the stair design vignette code states that  '' Do not reduce the requied landing widths by more than one half their requied width''.

Hope this ansewrs your questions!

annie-Claude

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 Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 01:15 am

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stugs wrote:
Also, if you have questions not directly related to the post topic you are in, it's best to post a new topic outside of the thread. :)

 

Stugs, sorry, am I in your way???????

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 Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 06:30 pm

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Gaudi wrote: stugs wrote:
Also, if you have questions not directly related to the post topic you are in, it's best to post a new topic outside of the thread. :)

 

Stugs, sorry, am I in your way???????
Just trying to keep this thread clean so it doesn't get too long and is only tidbits found and gathered for passing this exam.  There is a wide open forum outside of this thread for all of your questions and comments.  It appeared that you were unaware of how the forum worked so I thought I would give you a friendly nudge.  Don't take it the wrong way.

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 Posted: Thu Sep 28th, 2006 08:29 pm

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Just received my BT pass letter less than 4 weeks after taking the test, so I feel qualified to put in my 2 cents.

1.  Mech/Elec. layout:  sketch diagonals across each room to establish a center before drawing the grid.  Use this to center the grid.  This saved me time because centering that  grid can be tricky.

2.  I had a very difficult stair problem.  Be able to do all Dorf's stair problems.

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 Posted: Thu Sep 28th, 2006 08:54 pm

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Thanks for the tips, I'll add them to the list.  I had a friend who recently failed that portion due to the tricky stair problem as well.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 16th, 2006 10:19 pm

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thank you soooo much JPArch45...I was really confused with that post since I am taking the test tomorrow morning and after reading that, kind of started to freak out since I never did it like that....I agree with you and will follow your advise....this error could be fatal so it is good that it was clarified!!

Thanks again

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 Posted: Fri Jan 5th, 2007 10:04 pm

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Attached is a graphic for the following Code stipulation on the Stairs vignette.

"When opening, doors shall not reduce the width of the landing to less than one half the required width."

Attachment: HALF landing width.jpg (Downloaded 881 times)

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Denise I have read alot of your post in the past, thanks for the info.  have you completed all of your exams.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 10th, 2007 07:26 pm

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Here are my notes when I took BT....some which I collected from this forum.  I am about done with the ARE but I decided to come back and see if I can help anyone.

Section-
1) Before drawing rough drawing, find duct/joist size (so you can see it)
2) Remember magic number “5:”  Ceiling, Joist, Duct, Lights, Slab
3) Watch which way section line is pointing
4) When checking, turn on arch on first floor, turn on mech on first floor, turn on struct on first floor.
 
Structural-
1) ALWAYS put a beam under clerestory regardless of the design of your beam-joist system
2) Make sure to add columns if beam spans are getting too long
3) Never make a 2 story space a beaming wall-the reason: if there is a window or door on the ground floor bearing wall, you’d put a lintel above that door or window and then stack a bearing wall on top of that and that is a no no as bearing walls cannot be supported by a beam below even just a small beam above a 6’ door or window.
4) Columns may be located within window wall and clerestory wall but not in window opening (opening between cafeteria and waiting room must be column free).
5) Clerestory extends to the underside of joist or beam
6) When it says “the opening located between the cafeteria and the waiting room must be unobstructed” it is referring to the cased opening part (the entire wall need not be “open” and column free.
7) Make sure upper and lower roofs are two separate components
8) Do a 20’ radius circle to check that columns are no more than 40 feet apart and thus beam span is no greater than 40’
9) Do a 15’ radius circle to check that joists are less than 30’
10) Joist max span of 32.’  Add intermediate beam if joist span is getting too long.  Try to make spacing of intermediate beams equal but can be unequal if no other way.  In Professor’s words “Spacing of your joists seems odd......except for end bays, all joists should be equally spaced.”  In reality, you want to minimize using too many different size joists.  You are using 4 different size joists in this solution, when you could have done the same job using two different sizes.  That is what I meant by inefficient use of structure. 
11) Below is example of when end bays may require shorter joists (see attached) 
 
 
Ramp-
1) Put exit doors in first to make sure you have them!!! Swing them in the direction of egress
2) You can use increments of 3”, 6”, 9”
3) Use check tool!  It won’t tell you something is wrong unless you press check tool
4) Door clearance can overlap landing (door can too but you don’t want it to interfere with circulation (it will reduce required width of landing by more than ½ (44/2=22 which is less than 36” door).
5) Bottom of ramp can end at bottom of stair and door maneuver clearance (see attached)
 
Mechanical-
1) Count off return grilles to rotate
2) From edge of incandescent and fluorescent there should be no less than 1’ and no more than 4’ from a wall.
3) If the program states, provide one supply diffuser and one return grille per 200 ft square of floor area in each space, then take the area of the space divided by 200=2.3, then 3 diffusers, 3 returns will be needed.
4) Double check the spacing of your incandescent lights
5) For real long rooms us the grids oriented long way and use 2 x 2 fluorescent
6) Draw grid and do square footages first (writing down the spaces that need two diffusers)
7) Draw return grille in front of space, then rotate
8) Write down which doors are 8’ high
 

Stair-
1) If you know that there has to be 18 risers and you want there to be 8 risers going up to the first intermediate landing.  Then calculate 8 X 7”=56” X 2=112” is 9’-4” + the first intermediate landing which is 3’=12’-4”  Always do a headroom check: 12’-4” – 1’=  11’-4” – 6’-8”=4’-8” > 3’ OK!
2) Read the code regarding clear width between handrails when you are required to show an AOR on that floor
3) Nothing can encroach on an AOR space
4) Check headroom at every landing and at approach from 0 feet door to 3 feet landing door.
5) Stairs from 3’ landing should face exterior door to grade unless there is going to be a headroom problem in doing so.
6) If stairs from 3’ landing does not face exterior door to grade, at least make it so that someone running down the steps only has to turn once to find the door straight in front of them.
7) Landings:
a) The lower stair landing should lead to the 3’ door landing in a very forward manner
b) The upper stair landing should lead to the upper door landing at a side approach manner
8) You can locate the last run of stairs to the 0 feet landing not facing the 0 feet door to grade as long as you only have to make one turn max to find the exit door to grade.
9) Try to build landing directly in front of upper door and directly in front of lower door and avoic overbuilding at either the upper most or lower most landing
10) After you place your lowest run of stairs to the first landing, determine which direction the next run of stairs should go
a) If lower stair is perpendicular to the 0’ exit door, make stair a dogleg.
b) If lower stair is parallel to 0’ exit door, make stair a switchback
11) Determine whether stair should span length or width of stairwell
a) If two landing doors are perpendicular and close, span stair lengthwise
b) If two landing doors are perpendicular and far spane widthwise.  If headroom is a problem break up the stair flights with landings using a split switchback
c) If two landing doors are parallel span either length or width (if width check headroom). 

12) When you would use a spiral stair
a) If width is too short use split switchback which may end up being a spiral stair depending where door is.  5 or more landings is considered a spiral stair.
b) If funny shape “L” landing is created, you can always get rid of it by creating a spiral stair (see attached for two possible stair designs where you could have used spiral stairs.
13) It is advisable to create 80” height of headroom over all doors including their 5 X 5 HC door clearance.
14) Can split up the risers unevenly (for eg if there is an odd number of risers or for headroom purposes).  You may want to put more or less risers on the lower flight to give headroom at intermediate or top most landing.  Just make sure that on the landing that has two flights of stairs (one going up to the landing itself, and one going up from the landing to the next landing) the flights of steps start at the same place.
 
Roof-
1) Don’t forget to add in 18” of structure
2) When you want one side of the roof to be higher, add .025 to the slope
3) Read don’t assume: ceiling height may be 8’ or 8’-6” then make sure to add the structure in
4) If you are putting the clerestory in a triangular shaped wall, you may have to calculate the lowest part of the clerestory, and then add clerestory height, then add structure (see attached)
5) Locate condensing unit away from clerestory
6) Locate downspouts away from windows
7) You have to add a third downspout if you have a gutter 40 feet or greater
8) Flash all 4 sides of chimney
9) If you have overlapping gutters gable roof don’t put downspout exactly at end.  If you have overlapping gutters hip roof, put downspouts at end but don’t join gutters
10) Use acronym: C-clerestory
D-downspout
E-exhaust fan
F-flashing
G-gutters
H-HVAC condenser
P-plumbing vents
S-skylights
11) If you calculate a slope to be 3.8181:12 and it only works when you type in 3.80:12 then keep playing with it until the eve and ridge dimensions match.  You might even have to exit the section and then come back to double check if it has changed by itself.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 10:50 pm

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3) Never make a 2 story space a beaming wall-the reason: if there is a window or door on the ground floor bearing wall, you’d put a lintel above that door or window and then stack a bearing wall on top of that and that is a no no as bearing walls cannot be supported by a beam below even just a small beam above a 6’ door or window.

 

Could you clarify this part a little bit.  I've read it several times and am not sure what you mean.    What do you mean by a beaming wall?

 

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 Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 12:55 am

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JonD wrote:
3) Never make a 2 story space a beaming wall-the reason: if there is a window or door on the ground floor bearing wall, you’d put a lintel above that door or window and then stack a bearing wall on top of that and that is a no no as bearing walls cannot be supported by a beam below even just a small beam above a 6’ door or window.

 

Could you clarify this part a little bit.  I've read it several times and am not sure what you mean.    What do you mean by a beaming wall?

The statement is actually a little mixed up.  The point of the statement is not to place bearing walls on top of beams.  Bearing walls however can continue above lintels as long as the opening is 6' or less.  Otherwise a beam would be required above the opening, and as I said, beams cannot support bearing walls, only bearing walls can support bearing walls.

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roof plan: in the ballast book it says" place flashing... and at other intersections of roof and exterior walls"  i interpret this to mean flash the perimeter which is contrary t o what you say. should we flash at the perimeter wall?

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 Posted: Mon Jul 30th, 2007 08:10 pm

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ruthie wrote: roof plan: in the ballast book it says" place flashing... and at other intersections of roof and exterior walls"  i interpret this to mean flash the perimeter which is contrary t o what you say. should we flash at the perimeter wall?

The NCARB program states to provide flashing at all roof/wall surface intersections.  As the perimeter wall does not protrude above the roof, the wall surface does not intersect the roof and therefore does not require flashing to be shown.

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 Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2007 01:31 am

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JPArch45 wrote: leothelionator wrote:
"I wasn't trying to get too technical when I said that.  All I meant was use common sense when calculating the number of risers.  Count the landing as a riser.  The vertical distance from the last tread going up to the landing is always going to the same as any other step, so don't forget to include it.  In other words the last step will not be at the same elevation as the landing; it will be one step short, usually -6" a.f.f."Add 1 tread to number of steps to account for landing (For 5 treads + landing, type 6).   If a landing is 3 feet, you'd naturally want 6 risers at 6" each, right?  However, you have to account for the fact that the landing itself is a riser, so you really only have 5 risers from the landing to next level.  Just something to keep in mind when laying out your stairs.

 This quote above can be a bit confusing....

This is not the way the set elevation tool works...When you draw a landing there is no way of specifying the depth of it to count it as a riser.  Therefore when you have an elevation of 3'-0" you would want to draw 6 risers at 6" each, the top of the last riser is level with the landing, and vice versa with the bottom of the lowest riser is at the same elevation as the landing.  So you draw 6 risers at 6" not 5 and and the elevation of the last step is the same as the landing and not one step shorter.

No? What does everyone else think?
Anyone.... Bueller ?

This JPArch post is a very important correction - since the tip which started this debate is at the top - this should be bumped as a clarification.  Like Norm says - don't think the test is trying to trick you.  If you have 36" rise then you need 6 risers at 6".  If you are doubt - count the number of lines - when you ask the program for six it will show six risers and five treads.  Don't overthink it. 

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PART I

1 Hr. - Building Section: 
  • Fire rated partitions extend to deck.
  • Show non fire rated partitions 6" above the ceiling 
  • Show grade line and show slab above!
  • Draw foundation and footing.
  • Slab stops at interior footing, then continues again.
  • Don’t forget light clearances.
  • Place section along “Exterior Face of Section”.
  • Ducts should touch bottom of joists.
  • Ceiling can extend thru interior partitions
I think you can draw the slab either continuous or broken at interior bearing walls.  For the record, NCARB's "Sample passing solution" in their most recent study guide shows the slab continuous with bearing wall sitting on top, and t.o. footing at b.o. slab.  It also shows the exterior walls going all the way down to grade (b.o. ext wall aligns with b.o. slab). This differs from "Solutions" solutions.  Seems like it would be faster to draw the slab on grade continuous.  Any other thoughts on this?

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HOW TO POST IMAGES:

1.  complete your vignette solution and move your cursor off the screen.

2.  press “PrintScrn”.  Nothing will happen.

3.  open any graphics program such as Paint.

4.  in a new file, press “Ctrl V”.  This will paste your image into the file.

5.  crop as needed.

6.  save the file (.jpg is best).

7.  start a new thread on the forum in the appropriate area.

8.  attach the file you just saved to your post.



Note you are allowed only one image per post.  To post a second image, reply to your first post and attach the next file.

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leothelionator wrote: ARE-R-WE wrote: GREAT GREAT POST.....Thank You very much.

I do not understand a few items.....would you mind terribly to elaborate on them?

I will understand if you do not have time.

But, here goes:






  • Place section along “Exterior Face of Section”.   On the Vignette Directions, there is an instruction to align the left side of the section with the "Exterior Face of Section Line".  If you look closely at the plan you will find it.  In other words don't place your section far out in space out of alignment with the plan or the computer will get confused.
  • Don't forget “Load Bearing” Tool.   What I meant was don't forget to use the "Bearing Wall W/ Bond Beam" drawing tool.  By default, the walls shown in plan are NOT load bearing UNLESS you designate them with this tool.
  • Return Riser might have more than 1 duct (1 for dedicated, 1 for plenum).   In some non-Dorf practice vignettes, the program called for a return air ducts from the conference room back to the riser room as well as a plenum for return air for all the other rooms.  In this case, one would need to show a return air duct poking out of the riser room into the plenum and another return air duct poking out of the riser room leading to the conference room return air grills.  I'm not sure if you really have to worry about this possibility; it wasn't on my actual test.
  • Add 1 tread to number of steps to account for landing (For 5 treads + landing, type 6).   If a landing is 3 feet, you'd naturally want 6 risers at 6" each, right?  However, you have to account for the fact that the landing itself is a riser, so you really only have 5 risers from the landing to next level.  Just something to keep in mind when laying out your stairs.  

    i just like to clarify that thread & risers are two different things. it's a misnomer to call  "tread" a riser or vice-versa. think of a riser as a "step". for instance, if the floor to floor height is 12 feet and you want the riser to be at 6"; naturally, you will have 24 risers or steps because it will take 24 steps to reach the 12 feet high floor. now, if the number of risers or steps is 24; it does'nt mean that the number of treads is also 24. the number of threads is actually 23 because the last step (24th steps or rise) which happen to be the landing is also a thread. So, for example, if the clear space between landings is 12 feet (neglecting the height) and the thread width is 12 inches; naturally, you'll have 12 treads but, the number of risers is 13. therefore, if you know that it will take 12 treads to span between two landings, you will then input "13" in the stair tool as the number of risers. that's the reason why the number of treads in plan view is always 1 less than the number of risers. :)

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    can we please to have this topic at the top?  thanks..

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    It is at the top of the BT forum.

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     Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 01:27 am

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    I tooks this this morning. I'm not sure if this has been covered, but if the vignette has the little id? button use it.

    It helped me catch an error that I'm fairly certain would have been fatal.

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    Mana: 
     Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 01:11 am

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     45 Min – Accessibility/Ramp:
    • Place ramps together or provide min." 3’ clearance". Can some one clearify where this code is comming from
    • Min. 7’-0’ for vestibule (3’ door + 4’ clearance). Why 4' Clearance?

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    Mana: 
     Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 11:55 am

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    That appears to be from the ALS/Kaplan Study Guides.  Do not mistake information in study guides to be pertinent on the test.  Use the NCARB code specifically.  Remember, the code on the actual exam may vary slightly from the practice program. Be sure to read carefully on test day because too many little mistakes can add up to a failed exam.

    "Solutions" by the late Professor Dorf is much closer to the actual exam and you can use information used in this guide on the test.  Do not mistake the program or code as being exactly like the test.  Again, read carefully.  The biggest part of the graphic exams are to follow directions.  Of course, there is a good deal about general understanding of design.

    I very much suggest you get a copy of "Solutions"; I'm sure most of the forum would agree with me on that.  Good luck.

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